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  •  Another important advantage of HSR - schedule. (11+ / 0-)

    Instead of one very large train that leaves occasionally, Musk envisions small capsules that take off and leave continually.  So you can potentially leave whenever you want, like you would on a car trip.  Only this is incredibly fast and doesn't pollute.

    There are clearly all sorts of obstacles to building something like this, but it's an incredibly far-sighted, breakthrough concept.  

    •  Important advantage OVER HSR - sorry. (3+ / 0-)
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      •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)
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        Troubadour, nirbama

        Having to schedule around limited departure times adds a lot of time to a travel schedule.

        You need to be somewhere at 6 but your choices are 5:15 or 6:15....so you lose 45 minutes.

        Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

        by JesseCW on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 04:25:48 PM PDT

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        •  realistically though... (3+ / 0-)
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          with small 28 person capsules, you WILL have line ups at the terminals or you will have to schedule a specific departure timeframe.  if 100,000 people want to travel between LAX and SFO in a day, only so many per hour can go. In fact, at 30 second headways only about 69,000 people could go.

          --United Citizens defeated Citizens United...This time. --

          by chipoliwog on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 05:40:41 PM PDT

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          •  Obviously, there is a capacity limit here (1+ / 0-)
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            Troubadour

            There just  isn't a train/plane issue of "We only depart at these times".

            Yes, you may have to book a reservation - but if you're far enough in advance, you can book it for 6:05 or 6:10 or 6:15 or ....

            as opposed to a high speed train hauling 500 people that departs hourly to every three hours depending on time of day/day of week.

            Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

            by JesseCW on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 05:48:56 PM PDT

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          •  They could expand to more than two tubes. (1+ / 0-)
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          •  Total annual air traffic between LA and SF: (2+ / 0-)
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            Troubadour, Dogs are fuzzy

            2,8 million passengers.
            Max annual capacity of hyperloop: 7,4 million.

            So the problem is?

            And if it becomes super-popular and you hit capacity?  That's not a bad thing, that's a WIN.  And you start right away on a massive statewide or even nationwide network.

            Mind you, I think they need multiple tubes in each direction anyway, the only obvious solution for if one goes down kinda sucks (making the other way alternate between directions every 1 1/2 or so, you'd get 1/3rd the net traffic and an average departure delay of 45 minutes).  Best would be if they're not the exact same route, but parallel each other, serving a broader geographic area.

            Já þýðir já. Nei þýðir nei. Hvað er svona erfitt við það?

            by Rei on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 08:58:04 AM PDT

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        •  Build a hyperloop to Bainbridge Island, please! (1+ / 0-)
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          Though the 35-minute ferry ride to downtown Seattle and back to bucolic Bainbridge Island is a satisfying experience, having to schedule your life around departures that occur once every 55 minutes is a major drag.  Would love to ride in a tube under Puget Sound, even at way less than subsonic speed, if a capsule left every 5 minutes!  Also, I heard that the hyperloop concept includes a tube and capsule big enough to transport cars.  That would be SUPER COOL.  

    •  It could be almost continuous (2+ / 0-)
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      like a subway, with new pods arriving every few minutes.  Although I suppose it depends on how expensive the tickets ultimately ended up being.

    •  to make it really work, they're going to need (1+ / 0-)
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      some accommodations for luggage and preferably bikes.  But it doesn't look like that should be too hard.

      Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

      by JesseCW on Mon Aug 12, 2013 at 04:23:37 PM PDT

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      •  Luggage compartments are included. (3+ / 0-)
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        from p. 15 of the PDF: luggage compartments will be at front or back of the capsule.  They appear to have factored in luggage weight in the plans.  Don't know about bikes, Jesse, but hey you could ask!

        I've only skimmed the beginning of the pdf but it's pretty remarkable how much Musk and team have thought through (including estimated pricing of every component).  

      •  bike share at either end (1+ / 0-)
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        Troubadour

        program is already launching in SF and is up and running in dozens of cities domestically and abroad.

      •  Bikes? (1+ / 0-)
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        Troubadour

        One of the two variants discussed can take a whole car!  :)

        Já þýðir já. Nei þýðir nei. Hvað er svona erfitt við það?

        by Rei on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 08:58:59 AM PDT

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        •  The one primarily being discussed certainly cannot (0+ / 0-)

          take a car.

          It's adorable when you desperately try to pretend you're here for more than one reason in an effort to build something resembling cred, but it really doesn't change anything.

          There are some people, (for instance, Troubadour) with whom I have extremely heated arguments about some issues and yet can have perfectly civil discussion with on others.

          That's because, however much I may disagree with them or even be disgusted by some of their views, they're not fakes.

          Please don't make smarmy little smiley faces at me.  It makes me want to vomit.  Just do what you're here to do.

          Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

          by JesseCW on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 01:41:44 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, grow up. (1+ / 0-)
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            You got me, I don't give a damn about efficient transportion, I only drive a Honda Insight and started an EV software company to get under your skin.

            If you can't handle disagreeing about one topic without dragging them into the next, you need to go back to preschool and stay there until you get a "gets along well with others" sticker.

            Já þýðir já. Nei þýðir nei. Hvað er svona erfitt við það?

            by Rei on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 04:25:31 PM PDT

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