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  •  How do you know? n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    •  Because no one is that foolish (3+ / 0-)
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      PhilJD, Jackson L Haveck, snoopydawg

      There's no way someone who won a damn election for president could make this kind of stupid mistake. Appointing the guy who lied to congress to head an investigation, seriously?

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 04:48:53 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, there's a way. (3+ / 0-)
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        the extreme entitlement that the Presidency affords, also affords him the ability to be numb on regular logic.

        Obama has proven this time and again, as have his predecessors.

        •  There's a huge difference between stupid (0+ / 0-)

          and insulated. That's why I mentioned his shitty advisers in my first comment there.

          If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

          by AoT on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 04:56:18 PM PDT

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          •  I know a lot of incredibly smart people (8+ / 0-)

            who are insulated to the point where their smarts are not particularly valuable in assessing a situation.

            But that doesn't mean that they get some sort of free pass for poor decisions based on their ignorance.

            The President is one of the most powerful men in the world right now.  He took on a powerful responsibility.  It is up to him to demand accountability and truthful information.  That's the structural part of his responsibility.  The "smart" part has a lot to do with critical thinking and questioning what is fed to him by advisors.

            He said he was Lincoln and that he was going to access opposing views in his Administration.  He really has not done that at all.

            He has a team with which he has allied.  That's not about being smart as much as it it about patronage and loyalty regardless of the wisdom of affording either to those whom he has pledged allegiance.

            I am not sure that I think that that is "smart".  YMMV

            •  I'm of the opinion that the President of the US (2+ / 0-)
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              whoever it may be at any given time is actually far less knowledgeable about the real state of the world. The clouding of the truth through the various intelligence agencies makes anyone ignorant because there's simply no way to know whether it's true or not except some sort of vetting system that one can never know the validity of. We talk about conspiracy theories here some times, but basically, being the president means that you are constantly fed conspiracy theories about a million different countries. The more secret information we process the less safe we are because the less accurate picture of the world we have.

              If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

              by AoT on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 05:21:11 PM PDT

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              •  I agree that their world is largely (3+ / 0-)
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                filtered through a lot of people with various and sundry agendae, but as you have asserted, this one is supposedly "smart".  I think that he is smart, but as we know being smart in one way is not necessarily transferrable to being smart in other ways.

                Honestly, given the history of leadership for all mankind, it is not really "smart" in my book not to be able to understand and assimilate Machiavelli, Caesar, Caligula, Napoleon, George Washington, the Founding Fathers, King George (numeral escapes me but of the 1700s), Queen Elizabeth I, LBJ, Kennedy, Hoover, Buchanan (who was one of my relatives, apparently), et al no matter what wild tales people are telling a person about how everything "now" is so incredibly "different".  It is the same old story with the same old pitfalls for most leaders.  The smart ones avoid the pitfalls where and when they can.

          •  He's neither stupid nor insulated. (2+ / 0-)
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            Sunspots, snoopydawg

            He's telling the nation to f*** itself.  Why?  Because he can, and because he can get away with it.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Tue Aug 13, 2013 at 07:12:13 PM PDT

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