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  •  I just heard a Jazeera reporter (9+ / 0-)

    saying the same on Al Jazeera English. Still haven't heard Al Jazeera Arabic say such a thing (and likely won't).

    Either way, Jazeera is predisposed to side with the Muslim Brothers no matter what, as doing so advances the political agenda of Qatar.

    Al Jazeera English is usually a bit more even... but only ever so slightly.

    •  Yeah, my Libyan and Egyptian friends and (4+ / 0-)
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      acquaintances are always complaining about Al Jazeera Arabic and how it is really shitty.

      No worries, I often notice the pro-Morsi bias even in Al Jazeera English's reporting.

      For example, I have seen very little reporting from them on how Morsi protesters keep getting into clashes with residents in Cairo.

      Here's one example of an event that Al Jazeera does not like to report about:

      But clashes broke out in central Cairo when a few thousand Morsi supporters marched to the Interior Ministry.
      Pro-army residents and shop-workers taunted them, calling them terrorists and saying they were not welcome. They then threw stones at the marchers, getting showered back in return.
      Some hurled bottles at the Morsi supporters from balconies. Police then fired tear gas at the demonstrators. Women and children marchers fled the scene in panic.
      http://tv.msnbc.com/...

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Wed Aug 14, 2013 at 08:17:45 AM PDT

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      •  Both Jazeera Arabic and Jazeera English (10+ / 0-)

        are like any news outlet.

        That is:
        - they NEVER bite the hand that feeds in any meaningful way
        - they deliver a narrative that is sort of compromise between what their audience wants to hear and what the political entity funding it wants to deliver

        When you view Al Jazeera through that lens and take it with the appropriate grains of salt, Al Jazeera English is excellent and Al Jazeera Arabic is interesting in that it presents the world according to Qatar's nuanced brand of coo-coo Wahhabism.

        •  Out of curiosity, which version is the bigger one? (1+ / 0-)
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          Is Al Jezeera mostly an Arabic outlet with a bit of English content here and there, or is it mostly in English with a bit of Arabic here and there?  The reason I ask is that its clear that they have a real viewpoint expressed in one of their two languages and a dishonest pretend viewpoint expressed in the other just to keep their supporters happy, but it's not clear which one is which.

          •  Al Jazeera (11+ / 0-)

            is a satellite media empire run out of Qatar and funded by its government.

            Their original channel is a news channel in Arabic. They have a documentary channel, a sports channel, a children's channel, and some other channels I can't remember, that are all also in Arabic.

            Al Jazeera English is their English news channel. When I refer to Al Jazeera Arabic, I'm referring to the original news channel and distinguishing it from the English version.

            Both channels operate under the constraints inherent in being funded by the gulf state. But Al Jazeera English tends to orient itself towards English speaking secularists internationally. Whereas Al Jazeera Arabic generally orients its content towards moderately conservative Muslims throughout the Arab world.

            The result is that Al Jazeera English tends to be very good because its content is created by professional English speaking journalists who don't have to deal with the censorship restrictions imposed by western capitalist interests. Its weakness is that they instead aren't aloud to criticise Qatar and only rarely criticise the political entities in the region that Qatar is trying to prop up. With most stories, this usually makes it a superior news source to say CNN, as an example. But if you have an ear for Qatar's political interests you begin to hear ludicrously biased slants on stories that Qatar wants to stick its business in. What's happening in Egypt right now is such a story. Qatar has been a major underwriter in the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood over the last year and a half.

            Al Jazeera Arabic is the one that I take bigger issue with. But at the end of the day, conservative Arab Muslims, I suppose, are entitled to their version of Fox News.

            Sorry for such a long-winded response.

            •  The reason I asked (0+ / 0-)

              is that often people point to Al Jazeera as a good example of the attitudes of tolerant, open-mined, anti-rhetoric, fair-play moderate Islam, and I wonder whether or not Al Jezeera is  making deliberate use of the language barrier to present a two-faced viewpoint: Stories covered one way for broadcasting within the Islamic community, while the same stories are covered a different way to deflect outsiders' criticism by showing a milder face to the westerners who are mostly only seeing the English-langauge version.

              •  That is (0+ / 0-)

                SOMEWHAT the case.

                Qatar actually plays such a duplicitous game in all sorts of different ways (I've spent a considerable amount of time there). Tangentially, the Muslim Brotherhood are MASTERS at this game (they play it WAY more than Al Jazeera as a broadcasting entity or Qatar).

                That said, much of what Jazeera is doing is simply an inherent part of catering to the audience they are trying to direct their message at. Most people don't know why Al Jazeera originally came into existence. It was originally designed to basically fuck with the Saudi Arabian government. At the time, Qatar had an incredibly bitter relationship with the only country it borders (Saudi). That relationship has cooled down quite a bit over the years, but much of the bitterness is still there and a lot of what Qatar does is simply contrarian to what Saudi Arabia wants. Al Jazeera was launched as an anti-Saudi propaganda campaign. An anti-Saudi propaganda campaign aimed at secularist liberal types was and is superfluous and unnecessary. Who they aimed their message at instead were people with the religious sensibilities that make them sympathetic to Saudi. Those sensibilities remain in their programming.

                On a final note, it would be categorically incorrect to assume that the Arabic-speaking Islamic community responds better to the Al Jazeera Arabic narrative.

                Sorry I didn't see this comment earlier. I hope it answers your question.

    •  p.s. (1+ / 0-)
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      Here's a live feed link that you could include in your diary:

      http://www.livestream.com/...

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Wed Aug 14, 2013 at 08:31:16 AM PDT

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      •  Addendum: (1+ / 0-)
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        This live stream is not for the faint of heart.  Be advised that you may see horrific scenes.

        I just saw a scene where a crowd of Morsi supporters pushed a bus to a point on a bridge in Nasr city where it then started rolling down the bridge towards a mix of police and civilians and crushed some of them.

        So, be warned, you may seem some really gruesome scenes if you watch that link.

        "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

        by Lawrence on Wed Aug 14, 2013 at 08:58:47 AM PDT

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      •  Just to give ONtv some context, (6+ / 0-)

        they're virulently anti-Muslim Brotherhood and you will get a slant on events that wants to advance that narrative... Still useful for information... but take that into consideration.

        •  Yeah, I figured as much. (0+ / 0-)

          I can't understand what they're saying anyway.  The live feed images are good, though.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Wed Aug 14, 2013 at 09:21:56 AM PDT

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