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  •  The "defense" has gotten really quiet (3+ / 0-)
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    over the last week or so.

    The power of the Occupy movement is that it ....realizes a fundamental truth about American politics… there is no way to vote against the interests of Goldman Sachs.

    by orson on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 08:36:33 AM PDT

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    •  No it hasn't...the "Defender in Chief" has (8+ / 0-)

      yet another of his HR-worthy spam submissions on the Wreck List attacking the reporters and defending the perpetrators at this very moment!

      "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

      by blue in NC on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 08:59:09 AM PDT

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    •  Are you kidding (12+ / 0-)

      they have gone into overdrive to the point where they are linking to lgf's and using the Nixonian, it's the Law if this administration says so. We need to get comfortable with it and realize it's a lawful balance of privacy and security.  Major denial about the reality that is playing out before our lying eyes.

      Minutiae and redefinitions of  what is the law a journalist a mule a crime abound. It's all to make Obama look bad and we must accept the secret surveillance state this administration has declared legal and necessary as it's authoritarianism we can believe in. Those who defend civil liberties are simply expressing libertarian sentiments.    

      •  No, it's the law (1+ / 0-)
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        Because it was made legal when the Patriot Act was reauthorized in 2009 and Obama added FISA court oversight.

        You might not like the law.

        But it is the law.

        You and I are welcome to advocate changing the law, and I'll join you.

        But saying something is "Unconstitutional" because you don't like it makes you sound just like the wingnuts screaming about the Second Amendment when we try to pass background checks.

        The Supreme Court explicitly ruled metadata is not protected by the First Amendment.  In 1979!

        Sorry, laws aren't Unconstitutional because you say so.  That goes for the ACA, gun control, and the Patriot Act.  That's how our legal system works.

        •  azer (2+ / 0-)
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          Because it was made legal when the Patriot Act was reauthorized in 2009 and Obama added FISA court oversight.

          You might not like the law.

          But it is the law.

          Laws that were broken thousands of times just over the past year.

          http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...

          Also, just because something is deemed constitutional (and these programs haven't been, because King Obama refuses to let the courts decide on the matter), doesn't mean it will stand forever.

          Nor does it mean any of these laws are just or ethical.

          •  You're referring to inadvertent errors? (0+ / 0-)

            The NSA errors were caught by an internal audit meant to conform to the law.  

            So the example you just cited proves the exact opposite of the point you hope to make.  There is no evidence of illegal, intentional search without warrants/oversight.  None.  

            Just digital mistakes.  

            The system needs better protections in place.  But that's not the same as screaming that the NSA is acting unconstitutionally.

    •  most of them, but they're still silently reccing (2+ / 0-)
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      Enzo Valenzetti, shaharazade

      up the spammy spinny screeds of defense minister number 1. sigh...

      "The further a society drifts from truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ~George Orwell "When it is dark enough, you can see the stars." ~Charles Beard

      by poligirl on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 11:27:22 AM PDT

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