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  •  First, your question amkes no sense. (7+ / 0-)
    How much of this is due to the fact that many people are now considered among the Permanently unemployed?
    These are ne wbenefit applications.  In other words, new layoffs or people fired from jobs.

    Second, I never said "we're even close to being out of the woods on the issue of unemployment and jobs."

    I said this:

    Although there are still way too many people unemployed, this is good news.  It's a good trend that might have been greater without the austerity imposed on the nation the last few years.  In a few years we may reach higher levels of employment, but even if we do, don't forget that in 2007, this was a greatly stratified society with huge problems.
    Most of your questions are not relevant to this diary.  

     

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    by TomP on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 06:53:00 AM PDT

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    •  I think PL's question reflects (2+ / 0-)
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      immense frustration with the fact that unemployment numbers you tout as "good news" may, in fact, be quite biased.

      It's frustration I feel keenly, too.

      It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

      by karmsy on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 07:03:36 AM PDT

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      •  How are these biased? (4+ / 0-)

        You're both talking about the unemployment numbers from DOL -- the percentage rate.  Not this data.

        There is a vested ideological interest in ignoring data and making up reasons why things are going to hell even thoiugh the reality is slow improvement.  Too slow, yes, but millions more have jobs in the last two years.  

        Read Krugman and Stiglitz.  They are very critical and consistently so about the failure ot increase demand and the impact on preventing a recovery.  But both recognize that things are slowly improving.  Their critiques are that it could and should be better.  

        My thesis, however, was even at "full employment," there still will be great inequality.  

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        by TomP on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 07:07:59 AM PDT

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        •  We-e-e-lll... (0+ / 0-)

          As I understand it, the numbers you discuss don't reflect the long-term unemployed, who are legion, so when the corporate media touts them as a sign of "recovery," it IS biased. It's insulting, as well.

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 07:51:04 AM PDT

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      •  They are still good news (4+ / 0-)

        It is true that they don't tell the whole story of the labor market, as they don't take into account things like those who have given up, underemployment, time between getting a new job after losing one, and other things, but these figures aren't intended to so so.

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