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  •  We may not be rampantly shooting peaceful (29+ / 0-)

    protesters but we DO routinely violate their civil rights in very egregious ways.

    I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

    by commonmass on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 09:56:52 AM PDT

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    •  We may not RAMPANTLY shoot protesters. But... (10+ / 0-)

      Go research OWS-Oakland.  There were one or two shots into the protesters that seemed to be aimed with malice aforethought.

      The original OWS in NYC had some well aimed shots of pepper spray at a few protesters.  A Cop shooting pepper spray at WOMEN!!!  Perhaps he was overcompensating a bit for his disfunctional junk or something.  Sorry but I get really pissed just thinking about those incidents.

      OK, maybe they weren't shooting live lead bullets but the line is very thin, they had them loaded in other guns they had with them.  A thin line indeed.

      You are very right on the civil rights violations too.

      Holy Cow!!! 06/18/2013 and I've got my mojo back!!!! A new signature will be written shortly.

      by Josiah Bartlett on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 11:45:00 AM PDT

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    •  We're aren't rampantly shooting them (8+ / 0-)

      We are shooting them a little.

      Scott Olsen

      And then there's the times when we don't shoot them but use potentially lethal force of other kinds:

      Vet with ruptured spleen.

      The idea here, I think, is that since we're only doing the potentially lethal things a little bit, here and there, and concentrated in certain cities where we all know the police forces are bad apples, that it doesn't really count. That we shouldn't really worry. That of course America still has its moral authority.

      There will be nothing to worry about until people are marching around in brownshirts and lining people up next to ditches. In the United States.

      Until then, apparently, there's nothing to worry about.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 12:04:40 PM PDT

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      •  We're talking about the policies of the US here (0+ / 0-)

        not those of individual police forces.  Are you insinuating that it's the policy of the US to take those horrendous actions against our citizens?

        I do not believe that the US has emerged fully from its bad guy status that Bush brought us into but I've seen big improvements and I understand the slow creep out.  The military, built of lifers that began their careers mostly in very conservative years is a dangerous beast, slow to change its culture.  Imagine yourself in the same chair that a slaughtered Jack Kennedy set in when he pushed a little too fast and too hard.  Just for a moment, imagine that.  Was Kennedy right?  Damned straight.  History doesn't care cause he didn't stay around to make it.

        •  The US has a policy of supporting (2+ / 0-)
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          military dictatorships that "rampantly" kill its people. This is happening as we debate our virtuous foreign policies. There was a free and democratic election in Egypt with the winners being demonized in the Western media from day one.

          The US military and its paid-for allies have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children in the Mideast, while denying freedom and democracy that all human beings aspire to.

          War is costly. Peace is priceless!

          by frostbite on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 02:22:50 PM PDT

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        •  I don't think things are getting better. (1+ / 0-)
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          I see a serious militarization of the police going on here. Get a load of that diary on the rec list with the Marine Corps colonel's speech in NH.

          Things seem to me to be getting seriously worse, on a number of levels.

          Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 05:19:11 PM PDT

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          •  I'm not so sure that (0+ / 0-)

            the programs that have armed those police forces and turned them into military equivalents have originated during this current administration.  I'm of the opinion that Obama inherited a speeding freight train and has been slowly applying the brakes trying to avoid a derailment.  

            That buildup began and peaked during the Bush days and the laws and funding that were established to move the arms between our military and those police forces began during that era.  

            If those programs continued during the Obama administration there's certainly the excuse of momentum that takes a long time to turn around.  You don't go into a leadership position and simply start barking out changes and expect any kind of respect from your underlings.

            In my own state I saw Joe Arpaio's buildup slowed considerably by action from Janet Napolitano because of his abuse of his growing strength.  We're seeing Holder make the first volley against the abuses of the war on drugs.  

            It's just my opinion but I think what you're seeing is this massive influx of Republican Governors and state legislators that are using their local police departments as little Gestapo units to enforce their draconian crap.  I've seen not one lick of evidence to say that the administration supports any of that.

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