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  •  Saying the right thing (33+ / 0-)

    ... loses a lot of its praiseworthiness when the stench of hypocrisy hangs heavy around the remarks.  And when we're still shoveling billions in aid at the people we're mildly complaining about.  

    I don't think anybody in the rest of the world takes America's moral pronouncements seriously.  We've never had the moral standing to pontificate about other peoples' situations as we habitually do.  It's never stopped us before.  Moral authority isn't the issue because we don't have any.

    We have always been at war with al Qaeda.

    by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 09:59:45 AM PDT

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    •  As late as 12/09 Nobel Prize committee took them (21+ / 0-)

      seriously.  The Peace Prize was awarded to a first-year president (who was then waging 2 wars) based upon Hope and Change rather than upon any actual accomplishments.  I seriously doubt anything like that will happen w/ our next president.

      His acceptance speech looks even worse now than it did then:

      But the world must remember that it was not simply international institutions -- not just treaties and declarations -- that brought stability to a post-World War II world.  Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this:  The United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms.  The service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans.  We have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will.  We have done so out of enlightened self-interest -- because we seek a better future for our children and grandchildren, and we believe that their lives will be better if others' children and grandchildren can live in freedom and prosperity.

      Where force is necessary, we have a moral and strategic interest in binding ourselves to certain rules of conduct.  And even as we confront a vicious adversary that abides by no rules, I believe the United States of America must remain a standard bearer in the conduct of war.  That is what makes us different from those whom we fight.  That is a source of our strength.  That is why I prohibited torture.  That is why I ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed. And that is why I have reaffirmed America's commitment to abide by the Geneva Conventions.  We lose ourselves when we compromise the very ideals that we fight to defend.  (Applause.)  And we honor -- we honor those ideals by upholding them not when it's easy, but when it is hard.


      The rest of the Western World deferred to this country for decades--partially out of fear, and partially out of respect.  Deferring to the U.S. out of respect is now a dead issue.  I'm not sure how much longer deference out of fear will continue to hold.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 10:38:32 AM PDT

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    •  This is a little like (1+ / 0-)
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      if Russia were to condemn us for not giving equal rights to gays.  I imagine that statement caused a lot of eye-rolling in other countries.

      Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

      by democracy inaction on Thu Aug 15, 2013 at 04:22:31 PM PDT

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