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  •  El Baradei has resigned in protest. To me, (16+ / 0-)

    that speaks volumes.

    When he agreed to take a position with the Coup installed government, I really wondered if he'd lost that astounding integrity he showed when he was with the IAEA.

    Well, it doesn't look like it.

    Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

    by JesseCW on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 05:28:29 AM PDT

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    •  Double betrayal (10+ / 0-)

      Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood betrayed their pledge to honor democracy and not build an Islamist theocratic regime.

      The Army betrayed its pledge to defend democracy when it decided the removal of Morsi provided the opportunity to destroy the Muslim Brotherhood as a political movement. (Of course Morsi and the MB helped provide the excuse for this by declaring they were going to use armed uprising to reclaim their power).

      The vast majority of Egyptians want secular democracy and have been betrayed by both sides. The good news: the Revolution is not yet over. The bad news: the MB and Army seem intent on escalating their power duel into civil war.

      •  The only poll I have seen (4+ / 0-)
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        does not support the idea that Egyptians want a secular society. From Pew:

        Islam has played an important role in Egyptian politics since the revolution, and most Egyptians continue to want a prominent role for religion in public life. About six-in-ten (58%) say the country’s laws should strictly follow the teachings of the Quran, while 28% believe laws should follow the values and principles of Islam but not strictly follow the Quran. Only 11% think the Quran should have no influence over the nation’s laws.
        http://www.pewglobal.org/...

        The same poll said people by only a 39-30 margin that they were better off now then when Mubarak was in power.

        The real problem in Egypt is probably economic given the numbers/

        •  The problem with such polls is they (13+ / 0-)

          don't allow the respondents to specify what they mean by "Quranic principles." These are subject to different interpretations--and have been since the first century of Islam. Hanafis and Sufis are likely to interpret Quranic principles broadly so as not to infringe on the rights of religious minorities and women-- in other words, they want democratic pluralism; Salafists are likely to insist that these principles be very rigidly and literally interpreted; they want an ultra-conservative theocracy. But Egypt has a large educated middle class which is secularly oriented and despises Salafi literalism.

          The election that put Morsi and the MB in power gave him 51% of the vote. But his main opponent was Shafik, Mubarak's final Prime Minister, who got 48%; Shafik was left as the only alternative on the ballot because a half dozen other candidates had been "invalidated" by the Mubarak-appointed Supreme Court. In all 25 million people voted in last year's election.

          But the petition drive this June calling for Morsi's ouster collected twenty-two million signatures! Morsi was widely seen as violating his pledge to observe democracy. He and the MB had dissolved both houses of Parliament and set up their own MB-dominated commission to produce their own draft for a new constitution-- which draft deprives women of their rights and strips the Copts of their civil rights. Morsi also decreed that his edicts were "exempt" from any legal review. This was tantamount to establishing a theocratic MB dictatorship.

           

          •  "Large" in raw numbers, but they're only (0+ / 0-)

            about 15% of the population.

            Most of Egypt is desperately poor and has received little education from the State.  

            Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

            by JesseCW on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 02:31:57 PM PDT

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          •  My memory of the election is that there was a (1+ / 0-)
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            runoff between Morsi and the military guy.  By the numbers, it looked to me like the people who'd voted in the first balloting didn't vote when it was between Morsi and the military guy.  In other words, it looked like half the electorate didn't want either of them.  Of course, part of that half might have been people who wanted the even more Islamist party.

            •  Correct. Those are the (2+ / 0-)
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              numbers from the run-off election. Egyptians who didn't want Shafik (a Mubarak creature) either didn't vote or held their noses and voted for Morsi, thinking Morsi was being honest in repudiating his theocratic agendum. Once in power Morsi reneged.

              There was an even more fundamentalist Salafist Party running in the first round, but it didn't get that many votes.

              •  I can't help wondering if some people voted for (2+ / 0-)
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                Morsi, not realizing he was a fundamentalist, because they saw the Salafists as the fundamentalists.  And if I recall, the Muslim Brotherhood didn't run as the Muslilm Brotherhood.  They called themselves the Peace and Justice Party.  So I wonder if people voted for them, not realizing what they were voting for.  I doubt anyone would admit to being fooled though, if they were fooled.

        •  33% of Egypt lives on less than two dollars a day. (1+ / 0-)
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          Desperately poor people often turn to religion.

          Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

          by JesseCW on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 02:30:07 PM PDT

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      •  yes! eom (0+ / 0-)

        “Fiction is a lie through which we tell the truth.” — Albert Camus

        by valadon on Fri Aug 16, 2013 at 11:56:07 AM PDT

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