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  •  What would you do (0+ / 0-)

    if in response to the Tea Party protests several summers ago, the U.S. military had deposed President Obama,  held him secretly in detention somewhere, and taken over control of our government?

    Would you camp out in D.C., trash government buildings, and demand a change back to democratically elected government? I sure hope we all would.

    •  poor comparison (4+ / 0-)
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      shigeru, native, Dogs are fuzzy, Lawrence

      Obama was passing stimulus bills and trying to pass healthcare bills. The tea party of 2009/2010 was opposing that.

      OTOH, MB and Morsi were working to jettison democracy itself and turn into a theofascist dictatorship.

      There's a little bit of difference between the two scenarios, isn't there?

      •  The comparison is (0+ / 0-)

        a democratically elected government is ousted by the military.

        You may not like it, but Morsi and the  Muslim brotherhood Parliament that was unseated by Mubarak appointees on the Egyptian Supreme Court were elected by the Egyptian people.

        •  Hitler was democratically elected too (1+ / 0-)
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          But recycling your own analogy instead..

          Had Bush and Cheney used the pretext of 9/11 to go beyond what they did (patriot act, surveillance, iraq war, etc) and actually amended the constitution and issued executive orders to make themselves functional dictators (that's what Morsi and the MB did in Egypt), and the military (under the leadership of some general named Al C. Chamberlin, say) intervened to oust them with a promise to hold new elections after things settled down (i.e. would have 'restored democracy'), whom would you have sided with: the patriotic military or the Bush-Cheney dictatorship?

            •  The German referendum of 1934 (1+ / 0-)
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              https://en.wikipedia.org/...
              made Hitler the all-powerful dictator that he became. Granted, it isn't a direct election, but the German voters knew the person they were approving for dictatorial leadership via that vote. Also, the Nazi party won the plurality in 1932. Taken together, this is comparable to how Morsi and MB went about their business (Morsi wins presidential election, issues decree to declare himself judicial oversight, the MB crams through a constitution to cement their stranglehold.)

              What do you have to say about by Bush-Cheney/US military question that's the flip side of your tea party/Obama analogy?

              •  Do you find it significant at all (0+ / 0-)

                that the Egyptian Supreme Court, filled with Mubarak appointments, decided to overturn the Parliamentary elections that gave the Muslim Brotherhood a governing majority?

                My point is that you can't view Morsi's actions without understand the context that the military, in my view, was obviously doing everything they could do from the outset to undermine him after he beat their handpicked candidate.

                Did Morsi screw up? Sure. But given the hand he was dealt, with the military rigging everything, what could he do?

    •  The fallacy with your argument is that the (2+ / 0-)
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      Tea Party is more akin to the Muslim Brotherhood and the MB had actually done what the Tea Party would like to do. I.e. take control of the levers of government an then start to destroy the rights of those who do not agree with them. See Texas and NC for real life examples.

      “Never argue with someone whose livelihood depends on not being convinced.” ~ H.L. MENCKEN

      by shigeru on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 08:02:05 AM PDT

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      •  Actually, I live in Texas (0+ / 0-)

        and I hope you are not suggesting it would be A-OK to violently overturn the democratically elected government of the state of Texas based on disagreement with the policies that elected government is putting into place.

        The solution is the ballot box. That's democracy.

        •  Not yet. However there is a point at which it (0+ / 0-)

          would be justified if Texas drifts very much further to the right.

          However unlikely that may be I do believe that many elements on the right would like to do that to, for example, secede from the US.

          “Never argue with someone whose livelihood depends on not being convinced.” ~ H.L. MENCKEN

          by shigeru on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 04:35:16 PM PDT

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