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  •  I reject your idea that (0+ / 0-)

    because we can't completely legislate away a heterosexist, transphobic society, we can't at least tackle the very real issue of the hate propaganda that is spread on a daily basis. I reject that idea, and so do other Western countries.

    At this point, we're just going to have to disagree, because I am not having a conversation about homicidal rampages.

    I don't mind if you're straight. Just don't flaunt it in public.

    by Chrislove on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 05:00:29 PM PDT

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    •  why not (0+ / 0-)

      a bullied kid can either

      A) do nothing, deal with it and become stoic
      B) act violently(up to suicide) towards themselves
      C) act violently(up to murder) towards their tormenters

      If you're going to blame B on the bully why shouldn't you blame C on them too? is it too uncomfortable for you to blame a murder victim of his own death?

      •  Again, I'm not having this conversation (0+ / 0-)

        I understand that you keep wanting to veer into new topics, but I'm not going to.

        I don't mind if you're straight. Just don't flaunt it in public.

        by Chrislove on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 05:06:24 PM PDT

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        •  you opened the door by saying the bullies (0+ / 0-)

          are responsible for suicide which is, by the definition of suicide, is false and now you don't want to talk about the giant holes in your logic.

          •  No, I said that making blanket statements (0+ / 0-)

            about suicide being the fault of bullied teens is callous and simplistic. And it is.

            I don't mind if you're straight. Just don't flaunt it in public.

            by Chrislove on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 05:11:43 PM PDT

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            •  yes, you did (0+ / 0-)
              These "non-violent offenders" who "say mean things" have real blood on their hands. Again, this is not an abstract problem. People die every day as a result of the environment that the hate speech we allow reinforces.
              you blamed bullies for deaths.
              •  Oh, FFS. I was talking more about (0+ / 0-)

                people like Bryan Fischer in that comment.

                But yes, for the record, I blame bullies and Bryan Fischer and Tony Perkins and fundamentalist preachers for deaths. Absolutely. I am also capable of realizing that there are many other factors involved, but yes, haters have blood on their hands. I stand by that.

                With that, I really am done with you. There is absolutely nothing productive about pushing this conversation farther and farther to the right of the screen. You can continue to pose questions, but you will not see another reply from me. Have a good evening.

                I don't mind if you're straight. Just don't flaunt it in public.

                by Chrislove on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 05:22:10 PM PDT

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