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  •  And not just Republicans pushing this trash (16+ / 0-)

    So many urban Democrats and other neo-liberal libertarian types who post on here have swallowed this deforms hook, line, and sinker. Hopefully none of these dupes and trolls show up peddling their anti-educator / public school system trash.

    Great diary!

    •  I couldn't agree more! (13+ / 0-)

      Even here on KOS, many support charter schools/school voucher arguments.  It amazes me.

      It's nothing more than union busting and privatizing, and progressives need to recognize that.

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      by RuralLiberal on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 09:24:39 AM PDT

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      •  Let's not forget it's also about segregation (6+ / 0-)

        They want to make sure that the lower income people don't mix with the higher income people. It interferes with their indoctrination of their children into the idea that the lower income people don't "deserve" to get anything.

        If their children actually met and like the lower income children, the indoctrination might not "take."



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        by splashy on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 08:32:15 PM PDT

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        •  Because, as Jon Stewart once put it, (1+ / 0-)
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          "What's the point of living in a gated community, if my kids go to school and get poor all over them?"

          Or maybe that was Bill Maher.  It was on the mark, either way.

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 10:41:46 AM PDT

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        •  Segregation exists practically in public schools (0+ / 0-)

          When most public school models follow the neighborhood concept, you have defacto segregation.

          I will be a bigger supporter of traditional public schools if they make one big change - open up all public schools to all taxpayers. Give preference to your neighborhood kids, but even in school districts that allow lmited outside kids, increase that quota.

          A poor minority kid should have the chance to go to a better suburban school if they want to. I have had arguments with some people in my own community where they say won't support measures opening up their school enrollment to kids of all neighborhoods.

          YOu know, there are some of us progressives who do not subscribe to the neighborhood based public school concept. Sometimes I wonder if some of our fellow DKOSSERS are more interested in protecting teachers union turf than actually expanding what the term "Publicly funded education" is.

          If you do not like vouchers operate, we can modify that. But we can't do that by opposing them blindly. Work with the "bad guys" to get them to coopt some liberal ideas of diversity of enrollment in exchange for vouchers.

          •  sometimes (0+ / 0-)

            I wonder if you're more interested in being anti-union than improving neighborhoods.

            •  Based on what? (0+ / 0-)

              What the hell do you base that on?

              I am not a blind supporter of unions as some DKOSSERS tend to be. But I do strongly support the right for people to join a union and oppose companies that try to discourage that.

              •  Basis (0+ / 0-)
                Sometimes I wonder if some of our fellow DKOSSERS are more interested in protecting teachers union turf than actually expanding what the term "Publicly funded education" is.
                This is what you offered on the topic to me.

                Then, to back up my point that you're not interested in solving the problems that plague far too many of our communities, you say this to Joseph Rainmound

                I am sure it is one fo the reasons. But some parents in disadvantaged areas who are more motivated than their peer parents to improve things for their kids can't wait a decade for social reforms and public policy improvements to get their kids a better education. Just pumping in more money wont magically improve their schools.
                So if you don't want to acknowledge that money to cure our social ills isn't the main issue, I'll assume that you're launching an indirect attack on the school system for a reason other than the lack of funding.
                •  Money alone won't fix things doesnt mean money is (0+ / 0-)

                  not needed.

                  60 Minutes had this venture capital guy who thought he could fix a school he "adopted" by pumping in money. The results were not better. He had to change the way things were done to get any results.

          •  Disagree (2+ / 0-)
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            This is the worst thing you can do.

            Instead, we should be pumping money into and developing local neighborhood schools.

            Why? Because what happens is those neighborhood schools lose funding and resources and get "left" with students who don't have the money, independence, or academic schools to transfer.

            And those students aren't going to magically move; the government has to provide buses etc. to do it.

            Funding local schools funds resources and opportunities for parents and teachers who can't afford it. Providing vouchers is a feel good option with very little practical result. "Let's bring them to OUR schools! We don't need to fix THEIR schools!"

            The idea that vouchers and going to a school somewhere else is going to repair the problem - that idea is mistaken. Children shouldn't be treated like musical chairs.  

            •  So is money THE ONLY REASON those schools suck? (0+ / 0-)

              I am sure it is one fo the reasons. But some parents in disadvantaged areas who are more motivated than their peer parents to improve things for their kids can't wait a decade for social reforms and public policy improvements to get their kids a better education. Just pumping in more money wont magically improve their schools.

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