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  •  The false comparison of 'public' vs 'private' vs (1+ / 0-)
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    isewquilts2

    Voucher system just baffles me.  I cannot seem to grasp how people do not grasp the basic problem here with vouchers.

    People say 'but so & so sends their kids to a private school.." true.  But they keep paying in tax dollars to the local public school, providing it funding.

    The moment you pull vouchers out of the system, you are taking money away, which the person sending to a private school is not.

    Now, there are some exceptions (special needs waivers, etc.) but that's not every kid.  The less money that goes into the school system, the harder it is for them to perform, and the downward spiral continues.

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    by Chris Reeves on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 08:53:15 AM PDT

    •  BINGO! (4+ / 0-)

        Well-stated, tmservo- Wisconsin state aids are mostly based on the number of students attending a given school. So if children go to a voucher school instead of public ones, it literally shifts taxpayer dollars from public to private (religious) schools.

         And then when the public schools can't keep up, particularly given that the high-cost students with special needs stay in the public schools, then it becomes an excuse to call the public schools "failing", and throw more money to the campaign contributors that run the vouchers. The tax break to families for private school tuition is insult to that injury.

        This has NOTHING to do with improving educational outcomes,  and everything to do with funneling taxpayer dollars. And that's the disgusting part of this SCAM.

      •  We tried that argument in NC (1+ / 0-)
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        Caniac41

        "Public funding for private schools is a bad idea."  You can see how well it worked.  ALEC is all up in the NCGA's nether regions, and until that stops, asshattery like this is going to keep happening.  Couple that with the most draconian voter suppression bill in the country, and we might never dig out from under Bullshit Mountain.

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        by mojo11 on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 10:54:20 AM PDT

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      •  The argument is though (2+ / 0-)
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        That the face value of vouchers is less than the public school spending per pupil and hence the school/taxpayers are better off because the public money spent on educating a voucher student is lower.

        Of course that's the point of voucher schemes: sell them as a win-win for schools and students.  Same as most ALEC schemes: presenting an argument, however bogus, that fits into a soundbite trumps anything that requires more than a sentence to explain.

        The key is that the marginal saving of taking a student out of public school and giving them a voucher instead is close to zero for the public school, which still needs the teachers to run the classes for the students left; which still have to be planned; they still need classrooms, which still need to be heated.  The school grounds still have to be maintained as they were before.

        But now they have $7,000 less to do it with.

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        by GeoffT on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 12:37:40 AM PDT

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