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  •  Collectors collect. Collecting is a very primitive (35+ / 0-)

    behavior. So is accumulation. Primitive behaviors are habitual and habits are, especially in humans, liable to turning into obsessions. While the accumulation of matter tends to be limited by the availability of space and too much becomes unmanageable or overwhelming, there's no such natural limit on figments of the imagination stored as electronic digits. That's true of dollars, as well as data. However, whether it's dollars or data that are hoarded makes a difference, mostly because one is artificially limited and the other is not. The quantity of dollars available is limited by Congressional edicts; communications data are virtually infinite. So, while the hoarding of dollars discomfits those who get none or few, data can be hoarded without anyone noticing.
    Unlike nuclear materials, communications data are inert. Their collection and accumulation and storage don't pose the danger that can lurk even in a garbage dump. Tending data, on the other hand, takes more man power than nuclear bombs or waste in storage tanks. So, that means more non-hazardous jobs. That's a plus.
    The question is whether the data will be used to hound innocent persons and/or justify killing them off. The question is whether the culture of obedience will resort to illicitly acquired information to coerce compliance. The answer is that it will probably try. Coerced compliance is what the culture of obedience is about, but it didn't start with the acquisition of electronic tools.
    If we don't want people to be coerced, then that's what has to be addressed. It's the human husbandry that has to be stopped. And the people have to be convinced there are no wolves at the door.

    •  compliance and obedience . . . (25+ / 0-)

      is what it is all about . . . the experiment here is determining whether, with the tools of the digital revolution and modern propaganda techniques, they can as a small minority (a few percent of the population at most) establish and maintain a functioning "modern" fascist state to control a much larger non-fascist population.

      So far it's going pretty well for them.  They have captured the political system (pretty much owning the Democratic Party outright). It should surprise no one (although apparently it still does) that both income inequality and "domestic surveillance" are increasing rapidly under a nominally "Democratic" President . . . he's just doing his job for the new owners.

      And it's only going to get worse.  There is no shortage of Quislings and Petains to do their bidding . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 02:52:55 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, the temptation to extort compliance is (22+ / 0-)

        always great. Then too, coerced obedience is abusive and the victims of abuse tend to pass it on. Misery loves company. If I'm obedient, then you have to be obedient, too. Otherwise, your disobedience challenges the rightness of my obedience. If you're right to be disobedient, then I'm wrong to be obedient. Few people enjoy being shown they are wrong.

        Remember Breitbart's plaint to OWS? "Behave, behave yourselves." It was an existential plea.

        There is a big difference between the people governing and people being subservient to an intermediary political organization. When there's government BY the people, the parties are superfluous, unless they come up with some other functions for themselves. Touting candidates has been pretty much taken over by the professional campaign organizers and the selection of candidates continues to be the prerogative of the chamber of commerce and various "leadership" institutes.
        The people have been sort of wandering in the desert for forty years. The promise is still to be achieved.

        •  worse than wandering . . . (26+ / 0-)

          more like herded.  The political parties have been captured, and our elections are now more like those of the old Soviet Union than like "democracy".  While there is still a pretense of openness (primaries etc.) the reality is that few make it through the process who aren't owned, and the tokens who do, being a tiny minority, have no power to change anything.  It's all a charade . . .

          Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

          by Deward Hastings on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 04:12:58 AM PDT

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          •  Joseph Brodsky from On Tyranny (3+ / 0-)
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            Yes, his training ground in tyranny was his native USSR, a state he managed to wriggle free of back when there was an alternative the party-managed state:

            emphasis added

            And tyranny does just that:  structures your life for you.  It does this as meticulously as possible, certainly far better than a democracy does.  Also, it does it for your own sake, for any display of individualism in a crowd may be harmful: first of all for the person who displays it; but one should care about those next to him as well.  This is what the party-run state, with its security service, mental institutions [our prisons?], police, and citizens' sense of loyalty, is for.  Still, all these devices are not enough: the dream is to make every man his own bureaucrat. And the day when such a dream comes true is very much in sight.  For bureaucratization of individual existence starts with thinking politics, and it doesn't stop with the acquisition of a pocket calculator.
            Thanks to the diarist for getting to the point.

            Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

            by geomoo on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 01:06:04 PM PDT

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            •  Doesn't matter where it's from, form follows (2+ / 0-)
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              function. What works in controlling one population will probably work with another.

              Information is abundant, wisdom is scarce. ~The Druid.
              ~Ideals aren't goals, they're navigation aids.~

              by FarWestGirl on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 09:32:34 PM PDT

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              •  Yep (2+ / 0-)
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                I was just supporting the previous commentor's reference to the USSR.  In fact, communist methods have been consciously copied by the neo-liberals, including torture methods and propaganda methods.

                Secrecy is a hot bed of vanity. - Joseph Brodsky They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them for their blindness. – John Milton 1642

                by geomoo on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 09:20:54 AM PDT

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