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  •  Typical in many 3rd world countries... Now USA? (10+ / 0-)

    outside of urban ghetto areas that is... plenty of places in developing countries have violent, corrupt cops and the last thing a great many ordinary citizens would do would be to involve the police in any way at all... since the cops are often a greater danger than criminals or other things like local disturbances/fights etc...

    When police become an occupying power with virtual powers of life and death on a whim who get annoyed at being asked to do what we think of as part of normal police work... then democracy and police as public servants has become a quaint fiction.

    Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

    by IreGyre on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 03:27:00 AM PDT

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    •  I have what I think is significant experience (6+ / 0-)

      in Mexico, where it is unusual for people to call the police in many locations. Most in fact. The police are seen as dangerous as most criminals. Many are not, but that doesn't matter, only the way they are perceived.

      Mexico has hundreds of years of government/church oppression, resulting in several rebellions and revolutions. In the end, the people have a lingering distrust of officialdom and plenty of current events to reinforce their feelings.

      That said, it's very interesting to me that in Yucatan, people will call the police. Not for traffic accidents unless someone is injured or killed, but for bigger crimes. And the police are generally honest and here's the amazing part: they do real investigative work.

      There is also an expectation that the police will help and a respect for life, even of the poor. In fact, most of the police are Maya, rather than relatively 'upper class' mestizo. That brings a different reference to their work.

      I cannot count the number of times in a serious crime where someone has been arrested, but the investigation does not end. And often, the police discover their original arrest was a mistake and that person is released.

      They could easily just claim the case is solved and go on their way, but they do pursue justice.  In Yucatan, I wouldn't hesitate calling the state police or the Merida city police and have.

      What does it say about the USA that I'd be afraid to have the police come into my house to resolve a potentially difficult situation?

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 09:15:49 AM PDT

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      •  In a casual conversation a few years ago with (3+ / 0-)
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        a woman from Poland I said something positive about the rule of law.  She snorted and said she had no use for it because under the Communists in Poland none of the laws made any sense or were worth obeying.  It was pretty eye-opening but I could immediately understand her point of view.

        We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. B. Franklin

        by Observerinvancouver on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 09:57:56 AM PDT

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