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  •  Ok. But until he is president... (4+ / 0-)

    let's just shut the fuck up about him. Deal?

    Please pretend that I don't give a shit.

    by Jim Riggs on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 06:01:23 PM PDT

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    •  Yay!!!!!!!! (2+ / 0-)
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      MichiganGirl, Catesby

      Thank you.

      It's been like a couple arguing about whether the UPS guy is good or evil after he drops off the blow up doll the husband ordered without informing the wife.

      No one wants to talk about the plastic in the room.

      Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

      by delphine on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 07:02:19 PM PDT

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    •  Why? Snowden has arguably had more influence on (2+ / 0-)
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      public debate about Constitutional rights and government surveillance, the Patriot Act, and any number of other issues, than anyone in a generation or more. Why so reluctant to talk about his and other whistleblowers revelations?

      "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

      by Kombema on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 07:05:40 PM PDT

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      •  I have no problem discussing his revelations, (4+ / 0-)
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        I am just personally of the opinion that once he made those revelations he personally ceased to matter all that much.

        In my opinion he was never the story, nor should he have been... The information he leaked? Yes, that was important, but Snowden?

        Not so much... He's a guy that let everyone know about some important information... the information should be the story, not him. I could give a rat's ass about him.

        My two cents.

        "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

        by MichiganGirl on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 08:24:19 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed, for the most part -- though I do care abou (2+ / 0-)
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          the administration's heavy-handed persecution of him as a whistle-blower. That's the OTHER big story he's related to, in addition to the NSA revelations.

          "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

          by Kombema on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 08:41:00 PM PDT

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