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  •  I'm sympathetic to (1+ / 0-)
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    your argument. I'd be even more sympathetic if it didn't come off as conspiracy theory as far as people engineering the discussion to be what it is. I really don't believe that the people on this site (unless you're accusing some folks of being paid shills) are really trying to steer the argument to "Obama rox" vs. "Obama sux" because they're trying to prevent a real discussion about neoliberalism.

    The "Obama rox/ Obama sux" conflict can stay, indefinitely here at Orange, at the level of pie fight, because that's what's intended -- a pie fight to keep us divided and arguing about nothing in particular, with no consequences attached to the outcome of the argument
    Who (and I'd like names) is provoking or instigating this fight specifically to keep us arguing about nothing in particular? (As opposed to arguing for what they actually believe.)
    •  Since the two "sides" are incommensurable -- (3+ / 0-)
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      Words In Action, kharma, Musial

      The "Obama rox" side with its defense of Obama and the "Obama sux" "side" with its variegated (and ad hoc) complaints, nothing ever really gets settled because we wind up with a bunch of name-calling and disputation of unimportant stuff.

      If there were at least agreement on what to disagree about I could point to something.

      And, no, I don't think any "conspiracy" is afoot here.  It's more like ideological misalignment.

      "Exxon’s CEO was recently quoted as saying, ‘What good is it to save the planet if humanity suffers?’, as if the future of humanity could be separated from the ecosystems on which we depend." -- Charlotte Wilson

      by Cassiodorus on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 08:09:39 PM PDT

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      •  It's not about Obama, history has moved from (0+ / 0-)

        the cold war to the war on terror. everything that was self -evident in the cold war is useless today, the stand for freedom, the pride in US manufacturing, peace with prosperity. Nixon got caught prioritizing his old secret networks versus the demands of an open democracy. Obama is now caught between new totalitarian technology and the demands of the Constitution and the rule of law. Like Nixon, Obama is going down with the ship. The question is which NSA reforms will result from the transition to a Biden presidency.

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