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  •  Did they organize Congress -- (1+ / 0-)
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    to have Obama primaried in '12?

    What kind of opposition did they stir up in Congress to oppose the sequester?

    How did they stop Obama from killing the public option in the ACA?

    The answers, then, are no, nothing, and they didn't.

    I appreciate the angst that is routinely vented here at Orange over right-wing policy.  Really, I do.  But it doesn't seem to amount to anything.

    "Exxon’s CEO was recently quoted as saying, ‘What good is it to save the planet if humanity suffers?’, as if the future of humanity could be separated from the ecosystems on which we depend." -- Charlotte Wilson

    by Cassiodorus on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 09:38:07 PM PDT

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      Stir up opposition in Congress?

      That is a very weird thing to say for you, who are pretty savvy about the way things like Congress actually work these days.

      As someone who still, God knows why, lobbies Congress on occasion, let me assure you that Congress doesn't give two shits (heh) what anyone says unless they make at least 400K a year. If they did, they wouldn't be debating on how much they should cut Social Security benefits, and exactly how that should be done, while according to a poll released last Feb, 87% of Americans support maintaining benefits at the current rate even if they have to pay higher taxes for it.

      As for the progs here, they've given up on begging Congress to do the right thing, for the most part. (From time to time we still do it, usually when we can't stand to do nothing, but we know it's almost certainly futile.) Because they spent three years doing just that to no avail. They still probably sign the odd petition, or stop by their congressman's office when they can't bear not to try, but they know that the old routine of petition, call in, write letters, meet with staffers, is largely no longer effective. The only instance in which it seemed to have some effect in the last 3 years, that I can think of, is the Amash-Conyers amendment. For the first time in ages, Congress acted almost like an actual, somewhat representative, body of legislators.

      But if the typical good citizen routine of phone calls, petitions, etc. worked, we'd be golden. We're good at that routine.

      How would you suggest we should have"stopped Obama from killing the public option in the ACA?" As I recall, there was a massive movement to do just that, and immense effort. It didn't work. Obama had already made the deal, and basically ignored the left. That was essentially the end of the line for progressive Democrats, liberal Democrats, and generally speaking any even slightly left-wing person in the Democratic party. Obama made it clear, and Congressional Leadership essentially followed him, that we were not to be given a seat at the table. (Hell, he initially didn't invite Conyers to his healthcare summit b/c Conyers favored single-payer).

      Since then, there's been a stunned inactivity as people try to pick themselves off the ground and see what world they're actually in and what they might be able to do about it.

      Occupy helped, and a lot of so-called Obama Sux types were part of that. But Occupy was essentially crushed by infiltration and paramilitary force.

      So, yeah, we've been floundering. We're flailing around trying to figure out what to do. And most of the places we had for having that discussion have been yanked away from us. We essentially don't have representation, don't have a party, and have little or no foothold in the public sphere. We need the infrastructure we've lost over the last 30 years. If you have nowhere to have a discussion and no way to disseminate it, you probably won't have much of a discussion.

      Again, I hope you don't take this as an indication that I don't value your diaries. I'm seriously glad that you're still around at DKos, because you open a window and let in the air.

      Ou sont les neigedens d'antan?

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 10:05:04 PM PDT

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