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  •  I've offended you (8+ / 0-)

    That was my reading of your comment.  The discussion doesn't have to be hampered, if I misinterpreted you please feel free to correct me.  

    In your comments you say this is nothing new except for the technology.  But the technology, and the capabilities of that technology, is exactly what make this "horrifying."  It is exactly what makes this new.  Think how more effective Hoover could have been with the NSA feeding him info.  that is the fear; that is what I find horrifying.  How will the next Dick Cheney use the NSA if we don't put some protections in place, strong protections, now.  This is the first time the US gov't has the capability to spy on everyone.  That very few checks and balances on that power have been put in to place is horrifying.  

    And the fact is, I didn't vote for this.  I didn't vote for this is 2012, and I damn sure didn't vote for it in 2008.  

    I'm less worried about CT (which I see very little of) or people with their hair-on-fire on this website and more worried about people organizing to stop this.  We have to stand united and say "No Barack, not in our name."

    •  Ha! (4+ / 0-)
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      Christin, Lying eyes, kalmoth, high uintas

      It takes a personal friend to offend me -- and with an awful assessment.  You are not a personal friend and you haven't provided an awful assessment since it is a translation in your mind.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 11:44:05 AM PDT

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    •  Well, maybe you feel differently (2+ / 0-)
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      but I think someone putting a bug in my hotel room to listen to what I'm doing in my bed there plenty horrifying, much, much worse than the government knowing what my phone carrier knows about what telephone numbers I've dialed and what numbers have dialed me.

      •  What would be your take on NSA "analysts" (0+ / 0-)

        listening to our soldiers' & their partners phone sex sessions born of loneliness from months and years of multiple deployments?  Does that seem invasive or inappropriate or going too far?

        Or your take on the collection of your Internet activity?

        Every time I read the claim that it is only about a list of phone numbers, I wonder how well people have reviewed what is publicly known - factually known - even without Snowden & Greenwald.

        We've had more than a half dozen NSA / government snooping whistleblowers now, starting in 2006 or earlier. They confirm each other and new revelations as well. None contradict what's currently being revealed.  All agree it is much more than "lists of phone numbers."

        These various whistleblowers come from various levels within NSA or their contractors or the government or telecommunications. Many of them tried going through channels. Some were arrested or investigated, including heavily armed raids on their homes, because they stepped forward.

        And even if it is simply your list of phone numbers, which it is not, have you ever seen the graphic presentations of what can be done with your lists of phone numbers in combination with other lists?

        Combine that with cell phone location and a complete profile of who a person is and who that person connects with can be created, something of particular concern to activists and others. These things are all being written about aside from the Snowden/Greenwald revelations.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 08:34:55 PM PDT

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