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    •  Clinton/Gore killed 500,000 Iraqi children (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks to Roadbed Guy for linking Cool War by Joy Gordon...

      Listen up, people!

      If you haven't read "Cool War," you don't know fuck-all about Iraq, or Clinton/Gore.

      US/UN sanctions (enforced by the USA and Great Britain) killed 500,000 Iraqi children during the Clinton/Gore administration.

      As many as 576,000 Iraqi children may have died since the end of the Persian Gulf war because of economic sanctions imposed by the Security Council, according to two scientists who surveyed the country for the Food and Agriculture Organization.

      Elizabeth Warren for President 2016!

      by Frank Whitaker on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 07:41:22 PM PDT

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      •  Okay look. (1+ / 0-)
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        Reagan, HW Bush, Clinton/Gore, Bush 2, Obama --- hell, they all are bad, right?  Should we throw Carter, Ford, Nixon and Kennedy in for good measure?

        What about going back further?  What President hasn't engaged in some kind of war?  Name the great American President who has presided over 100 percent peace.

        I mean hell, none of them are good, right?  I mean why even bother voting for any of them, right?

        What is the point of all of this.

        •  Truer words... (0+ / 0-)
          In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

          We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

          The ultimate nefarious result of government corruption: the death, the murder, of millions of innocent people.

          "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

          by Pescadero Bill on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 08:45:19 AM PDT

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          •  And I say again, what's the point? (1+ / 0-)
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            I will tell you what the point is.  You want to be real?  Here it is.  Government has been corrupt from the beginning.  It was built on it.  Pick any point in history and you will get the same.  We can say what we must guard against until the cows come home.  But that would be the same as recognizing that everyone in the world just plain doesn't have the world's best interest at heart.

            So now that we are clear on it, you can point out the bad in what all of these governments and administrations do.  You can say that they all are no good.

            But if you are serious about guarding against the 'acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex' and the preservation of our liberties, either you can be part of the solution by working with what we got to work with, or sit back and gloom and doom your life away.  

            I'm not naive to what really happens in this world.  I would venture to say that a whole lot of people are, even those who are well intentioned.  The real truth is that our world is run in a parallel universe and I see both sides of it.  Yet I choose to made the very best of what I can.

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