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  •  Wow (1+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife

    Wikipedia - really.

    I have been part of the legal protection team here for years.

    Requests were only made to Democratic counties because none of the SOE's in the Republican counties were going to agree to it.  The decision to do hand counts were a decision at the COUNTY level.  

    This fact seems beyond those outside of the state.  In the subsequent law suit the Gore people at the Florida Supreme Court asked for a statewide hand count.  

    •  Do you have the link to the court papers? (1+ / 0-)
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      I'd like to read them, because the study I did at the time doesn't jibe with what you are saying.  Moreover, the WIKI article supports my position.  You raise good points, though, and I would like to know whether I am right or wrong.

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      by ccyd on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 02:10:50 PM PDT

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      •  I told you in the diary history would (0+ / 0-)

        rewrite and it looks like it has already started with wikepedia.    I was in Ga but remember it being told both ways.   Statewide and just the ones with the Dem voters but in Recount... they told it another way.. I think the problem came when a judge ruled only those counties.

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        by Vetwife on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 05:14:24 PM PDT

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        •  This is a great diary (tipped & rec'd) (1+ / 0-)
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          I appreciate that you wrote it and I whole-heartedly agree with many of your thoughts about what things would have been if only Gore had taken the office (I still believe that he actually won Florida).

          I have not yet seen any evidence that refutes what I said about the Gore campaign seeking only to recount a few Democratic strongholds instead of the entire state.  If there is, then I'm all ears.  That's why I asked for the link to the court papers.  That is not something that can be rewritten.  It's a fact that is knowable.  I am pretty sure I know the fact, but there is a possibility I could be wrong.  If I am going to change my mind, I will need a reason to do so, which can only come from hard evidence.

          I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use -- Galileo Galilei

          by ccyd on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 06:16:09 PM PDT

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      •  Dude (0+ / 0-)

        Kathleen Harris was the secretary of state in Florida.  She was not going to agree to a hand recount, and it was reasonably unclear if she had the authority to do so anyway.

        There is no there there.  Frankly the "he didn't ask for a statewide recount" is really a right wing talking point.  Who would the request be made to?

        Gore went to the counties that had Dem Soe's (Supervisor of Elections).  In Hillsborough the SOE made clear she would NOT do a hand recount.  In fact, it really wasn't a matter of Gore asking for it, because the SOE could decide to move forward on their own. Gore had no legal authority to compel anyone to do a recount.

        The lawsuit came after Dem SOE's started their hand recount, and the ruling applied to the counties doing the recount.  THEN that was appealed, and the Fla state supreme court ordered a statewide recount.

        Keep in mind, the hand recounts took place AFTER the state mandated recount.  In fact, some GOP SOE's never even complied with the state requirement to the first recount.  

        What is poorly understood outside of Florida is that Florida elections are run by County SOE's, though this has changed somewhat since 2000.

        What has happened here is that the right made up a story that fit the need for the Nader people to feel as though they didn't matter in the end.  

        The "didn't ask for a statewide recount" is a myth born of ignorance.

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