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  •  I accept your take on the situation but for two (11+ / 0-)

    quibbles:

    1.  "more for them, and less for everybody else" - I don't think the moneyed interests really consider everybody else or anyone else.  They just think "more for me."  They are completely blind to everybody else - we are invisible.  They do not do what they do in relation to anyone but their own desires.  They are not out to get us, ruin us or hurt us.  They are just out for them and we are collateral damage.

    2. "value the concept of doing everything we can to elect more and better Democrats." - Sure this is the mission of dailykos. The problem is how sure are we that there are enough better Democrats who would or could run for office.  The system self-selects for personalities and values that are an anathema to most traditional Democratic values.  It's an ego and power game in which holding office and looking toward a monetarily rewarding back end are the goals.  "Better" from a baseline where the average is below a failing grade is not really better at all.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 05:15:28 PM PDT

    •  #1 - yes, yes, yes (9+ / 0-)

      Really - there aren't oligarchs rubbing their hands together in back rooms chortling over the increased suffereing of the 99% in expectation of their imminent total dependency. They have no clue about, and little interest in, the reality for those who are outside their bubble. In fact, one way an impact could be made is to somehow break through that obliviousness to personalize and particularize the real world as the rest of us experience it.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 05:29:40 PM PDT

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      •  It IS a zero-sum game, (3+ / 0-)
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        and the global financial elite understands this. Here's a quote from Chrystia Freeland in her seminal article for The Atlantic The Rise of the New Global Elite:

            The good news – and the bad news – for American is that the nation’s own super-elite is rapidly adjusting to this more global perspective. The U.S.-based CEO of one of the world’s largest hedge funds told me that his firm’s investment committee often discusses the question of who wins and who loses in today’s economy. In a recent internal debate, he said, one of his senior colleagues had argued that the hollowing-out of the American middle class didn’t really matter. “His point was that if the transformation of the world economy lifts four people in China and India out of poverty and into the middle class, and meanwhile means one American drops out of the middle class, that’s not such a bad trade,” the CEO recalled.
            I heard a similar sentiment from the Taiwanese-born, 30-something CFO of a U.S. Internet company. A gentle, unpretentious man who went from public school to Harvard, he’s nonetheless not terribly sympathetic to the complaints of the American middle class. “We demand a higher paycheck than the rest of the world,” he told me. “So if you’re going to demand 10 times the paycheck, you need to deliver 10 times the value. It sounds harsh, but maybe people in the middle class need to decide to take a pay cut.”

        The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

        by Azazello on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 05:41:45 PM PDT

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        •  They might believe that, but they are not (2+ / 0-)
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          operating to bring it about.  Lots of these people are smart and know what's happening. They just don't care about and are not doing to, for example, "hollow out the middle class."  It's like seeing a dead pigeon or a crack in the sidewalk: you see it and move on to your business at hand.

          The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

          by accumbens on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 08:44:50 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not necessarily sure (0+ / 0-)

        that I can agree with that.  But that's a different conversation.

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