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  •  I will take this diary in good faith as you say (8+ / 0-)

    it is intended. In this graf I both agree and disagree:

    Now, having said that, here's where I think I get in trouble with many of my fellow Democrats: I think that when it comes to addressing the important issues we face, and given the current situation (as I understand it), participation in the political process (as it is now) only offer between 10 to 15 percent of the solution.  Again, we should not give up ground there, but that's my perspective.
    What I see as a problem with so many here is the fact that people want things solved and they want them solved right friggin now. I would like that too but it is basically not possible.

    You say that participation in the process is 10-15% of the solution. That is where I dissagree. I take my cues on this from the GOP on this. The fundies and wingnuts did not like the GOP but instead of backing away they decided to take over the party. They started with dog catcher and moved up the political ladder. They took over the bottom of the party to build a bench. But what they pretty much never did was vote Democrat or third party. They felt that the worst Republican was better than the best Democrat.

    It took decades to get to where they are at now and a lot of the time they held their noses to do it.

    But now that they are here they are doing something that is destroying them. They own the party now and they are trying to make it too orthodox. If you don't agree with them 100% they drum you out of the party.

    I don't want that to ever happen to us. There is honest room for disagreement. Take the NSA issue. There are some people that are not bothered by the spying. I'm not talking about the people who claim it isn't happening. I don't understand where they are coming from. But there are people who don't think it is a worse problem than getting hit by another terror attack and they think this will help.

    I disagree with them but I think it is a valid opinion. I think the President feels this way and I can completely understand that. I honestly don't know what I would do if I were in charge of protecting hundreds of millions of people. I'd like to think that I would be better than that but I think if I saw the reports that he sees I may feel differently. One of the things that bothers me about a lot of the people around here is that they don't seem to think about that at all. They just see him as a craven person who wants to be a dictator which is essentially the views of the right.

    Most of us don't have a real dog in a lot of the fights we fight. We're not gay but we fight for gay rights. A lot of us are men but we fight for women's rights. White but fight for the rights of minorities.

    Most of us do that by trying to put ourselves in their shoes. I'd like to see more of that when it comes to the people that we elect into positions of power. We do not need to change our positions. We just need to understand that others come to their positions honestly.

    This comment is probably way too long and boring to read the whole way through but I hope it was clear enough.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 05:59:07 PM PDT

    •  The comment is not too long, and is not boring (4+ / 0-)

      at all.  In fact, I found it to be a real gem in the fact that our previous interactions have been pretty hostile and somehow we found a way to put that hostility aside and engage like adults--acting in good faith.

      I think you know we're going to disagree on our views.

      I tend to look at the system as corrupt from top to bottom (because of the influence of money on our political system).

      I see the two party establishments as serving the same masters, although there is a marked difference.

      I believe that the Republican party is outright fascist and nihilistic.

      The Democratic party establishment is corrupt also, but there are very dedicated progressive factions within the party which help moderate their approach.

      So in the end, if everything remains the same, I see the country moving towards fascism (creeping in), but the Republicans would get us there at lighting speed, while the Democratic party establishment would slow the pace, but eventually will get us to the same place.

      BTW, I define this new type of fascism as when we reach a tipping point where the interests of supranational corporations are one and the same of the government.

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