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  •  Please chill. (14+ / 0-)

    Take the diary for what he says it is and try to stay civil.

    This is the first diary of his I have ever recommended because I think that it is a chance to air out some of this. Maybe find some common ground. But if we look for the petty it will go off the rails.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 06:02:41 PM PDT

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    •  Why do you think I'm not taking the diary (1+ / 0-)
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      for what he says?

      I quoted him, didn't I?

      He's reaching out to detractors.

      Those whom he is trying to reach are "detractors" of ... something.

      •  You seem to be angry about something. Did you (3+ / 0-)
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        read the diary?  You don't think I wrote it with good intentions?  What do you think I'm trying to do?

        I just don't know what's driving the hostility from you.

        •  I think you wrote it with really good intentions. (2+ / 0-)
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          I think you genuinely see yourself as more right than others, and that your wrote this diary to help them see your side of things, and because you've caught some flak recently for your more incendiary posts.

          This diary is the nice, polite, reaching out version of your more combative posts; however, I really don't think you see differing opinions as valid ones. That's why you're attempting to reach out to "detractors." The problem of calling those who disagree with you "detractors" doesn't even occur to you.

          •  I'm pleasantly surprised that you took the time (1+ / 0-)
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            to write that.  I disagree with the characterizations but I don't think you are arriving to them maliciously (trying to mischaracterize my views on purpose).  I think you genuinely see it like that, and thus you are being intellectually honest in this post.

          •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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            Ray Pensador

            Generally speaking, when someone holds an opinion, one tends to think that opinion is correct, until such time when they are persuaded otherwise. So I have to ask, how can one be "more right than others?" Is that a bad thing, as you seem to imply?

            Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

            by DeadHead on Sat Aug 17, 2013 at 11:10:05 PM PDT

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            •  Of course we all think our opinions (1+ / 0-)
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              are correct. I think that the difference between those of us that hold passionate opinions and those of us who believe we're more right than others is that the former group always holds out the possibility that they could be wrong, and that their opinion is based upon a set of assumptions that can change.

              The word "detractor" is a synonym (and euphemism in this context) for "hater." Why should I or anyone believe that someone who professes to reach out to "haters" really cares what his audience thinks? Why should I believe that person thinks he could be wrong?

              •  I actually don't expect you to believe (1+ / 0-)
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                Ray Pensador

                it, for the same reasons I don't expect you to be interested in working with someone who offended you with a diary two months ago, as you suggested your unwillingness to do, in MBNYC's diary the other day.

                You aren't interested in meeting people halfway, apparently. That's my impression as of late.

                And instead of just quietly declining the invitation, you'd prefer to make sure everyone is all too aware of your reasons for it.

                And that's fine, I'm not implying you can't or shouldn't do that, but my gawd, I don't know what Ray or OPOL or anyone else needs to do to win you over.

                What would it take?

                Removal and replacement of the word 'detractor?' A notarized, personal apology? A first-born child? What?

                Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

                by DeadHead on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 02:08:29 AM PDT

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          •  ^^^^^ Exactly (0+ / 0-)

            That's why I see Ray as -- well I won't say the legal word, but it's a word used in wills, trust and estates law for someone who is sane but believes things that cannot actually be true.

    •  Thanks. I did write the diary in that vein. n/t (0+ / 0-)

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