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  •  I remembered you telling me that. (8+ / 0-)

    In fact, I recall you being the person who really got me to thinking about what I believed about things from basic facts rather than from what I'd been told growing up in a church where "Those Catholics * gasp * pray to Mary!" was not an exactly uncommon statement.

    Our sermon this morning was on patron saints and how the system came about, followed with a discourse on how everyone sees a bit of themselves in Mary - or in any other saint - differently.

    Could have run up and hugged him afterwards - I'd told him about my orientation and the community's attachment to her previously, and I think I managed to influence a sermon without the dreaded experience of becoming a sermon example.

    Instead, I took communion for the first time in that church. And did it while wearing a particular pride symbol I've never worn in public before - not that anyone noticed, or that anyone else in the church knew there was anything to notice, but it just seemed the right thing to do somehow and the right time to do it.

    And then I came out to the one person left in the congregation I feel has a need to know. And she'd already overheard so I'd been worrying over nothing. And why does coming out to Episcopals keep ending in non-reactions that leave me wondering if they really heard what I was saying?

    •  Because for the majority of Episcopalians (8+ / 0-)

      in this country, being OK with, and embracing, and maybe even proud of how God made us each as individuals is simply as natural and a non-issue as whether or not you take milk in your tea or not.

      They have non-reactions because not only do they accept you as you are, they are not obsessed with that stuff.

      I'm glad you found a great parish. I'm really excited for you, actually!

      I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

      by commonmass on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 05:36:33 PM PDT

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      •  It's been refreshing. (8+ / 0-)

        Huge leap between the church I was at and this one - and the other was the next-most-accepting in the area! Acceptance from the pulpit, bigotry in the Sunday School department, and good lord the rumors sometimes... and that was for standard gay and lesbian issues. Bi was not discussed, and gender identity was well past anyone's radar.

        I came out to ministers to have that resource to turn to. Other than that, one person who quietly told me she had worshiped with someone from every other QUILTBAG group and I figured she deserved to know she'd really worshiped with someone from every group.

        Forget even mentioning having gay friends. I knew someone who thought he was enlightened for believing in Hate The Sin Love The Sinner.

        Now, I'm mostly staying quiet because of a familial request and the Small Town Gossip Effect. But I think I'd feel safe if it accidentally slipped out in a church setting so far as the members of the church go, which is an absolute first for me.

        Oh and I can use my prayer beads openly. Heck, I've witnessed a fidgeting child being given Daddy's Prayer Beads to play with instead of Mommy's Keys during the service.

        Wish I'd made the switch sooner.

        •  Good. I'm really glad to hear it. (9+ / 0-)

          Sometimes finding a great church home takes some leg-work. Sometimes, it even means going outside of the tradition you were raised in, or the one which you prefer.

          By the way, I would be much more concerned about intolerance in the Sunday School than I would be from the pulpit. Of course, I wouldn't put up with either, especially if I had kids.

          Because of the "mixed marriage" of my parents AND my father's parents, I was raised in my dad's congregational church. I never heard human sexuality of any kind discussed beyond pointing out that Mary was technically an unwed mother. I suspect, had I heard negative preaching and teaching, I would be even more radical in my progressive Christianity than I am today--or never had pursued a career in the church.

          But all this goes to show you it's people, not the religion, that are often at fault for hate and intolerance. When I was a teenager, I'd have told you "Christianity is tolerant and embracing" because that's all I ever knew. May it be for future generations.

          I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

          by commonmass on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 06:07:26 PM PDT

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    •  I'm so glad (7+ / 0-)

      many, if not all, of us joined the Episcopalian church because we find it to be an open, inclusive and welcoming community, one in which you are encouraged to use your mind, to question, and to come to church exactly as you are.

      I am so happy that this is the case for you.

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