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  •  Always reminds me of HIV/AIDS, where estimates (17+ / 0-)

    in the early decades were scoffed at by naysayers, yet each few years the numbers would exceed even the worst case projections. Decades later, 17% of South African adults and fully 26% of Swaziland adults are HIV positive.

    As staggering and destructive as HIV is/was, the Climate Crisis is the one catastrophe to rule them all. \

    Its reverberations will lead to massive starvation and displacement, and, ironically, as we piss away our wealth on militarization and terrorism threats that are far smaller than risks from climate, the political violence that will ensue from climate and resource conflicts will make all that Terrorism Industrial Complex spending a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway's terrifying "historical" counterfactual is worth reading for every U.S. citizen and policy maker who might think we have time to dither. Time's up.

    Defense Contractor: Climate Change Could Create "Business Opportunities"

    The Collapse of Western Civilization: A View from the Future (PDF)Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway

    "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by Kombema on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 07:11:03 PM PDT

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    •  The sad thing being (10+ / 0-)

      that since HIV has always been basically a scourge of the Third World and of various "undesirable" social classes in Our World -- a prejudice exacerbated by the availability of usually-successful maintenance regimens for those demographics in Our World who can afford them -- people haven't had to waste much emotional energy caring about those with HIV either.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Sun Aug 18, 2013 at 07:23:25 PM PDT

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      •  U.S. response to the "gay plague" was certainly (1+ / 0-)
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        analogous, inasmuch as te gays were not considered full citizens, indeed as "undesirable social classes" as you note. And so it will go with the poor and ignored, who will be the first to suffer the most. But it WILL come and bite us in the ass, though, whether "we" think we can insulate ourselves from it or not.

        "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

        by Kombema on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 08:44:40 AM PDT

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    •  There's a thought - climate-driven wars would add (4+ / 0-)
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      even more death, destruction of food and resources, and yes, carbon-fuel emissions to the situation.  It almost seems like humanity's answer to solve this crisis is to extinct itself. Hmmm.

      Ash-sha'b yurid isqat an-nizam!

      by fourthcornerman on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:18:31 AM PDT

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      •  Yep. Talk about "positive" feedback loops. (0+ / 0-)

        That will be the ultimate Malthusian catastrophe as it unfolds.

        "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

        by Kombema on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 08:41:34 AM PDT

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    •  Thanks for Collapse link (1+ / 0-)
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      That Oreskes article was really great, I read down to the last footnote. Fascinating.

      Where in the Constitution does it say: "...on behalf of corporate interests" ???

      by sillia on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 09:03:47 AM PDT

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      •  "Where in the Constitution..." ? (1+ / 0-)
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        It's not in the Constitution, sillia, it's in the Gettysburg Address: "..that a government of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation shall not perish from the Earth." At least, that's how the Party of Lincoln reads it!

        In Puritan times, stocks and bonds were not rewards for evil-doers, but punishments.

        by Mike732 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 10:36:54 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, right...lol (1+ / 0-)
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          A history teacher I know had the opinion that Lincoln's G'burg address, "of the people, by the people, for the people" was influenced by Marxist/socialists that emigrated from Germany after 1848. Apparently Lincoln had some of these people as advisors, in the Cabinet, etc.? I've never looked into it but I like the idea.

          Lincoln's legacy is like MLK's legacy--the slogans sound real sweet but if you actually look at what was said and what was meant, it would be frightening to certain established groups.

          Where in the Constitution does it say: "...on behalf of corporate interests" ???

          by sillia on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 10:47:43 AM PDT

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      •  Scary as hell, isn't it? Makes me queasy every (0+ / 0-)

        time I think about it. WTF legacy are we leaving our descendants, and why the frack aren't we doing far more to head this off? Fucking Republican deniers can kiss my ass. This is worse than the rise of Nazism or Stalinism.

        Glad you "liked" the Oreskes piece! Take one and pass it on! :)

        "Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob." -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

        by Kombema on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 02:56:42 PM PDT

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