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  •  This is false. You are mislead if you think that (1+ / 0-)
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    mojo workin

    the success of renewables is based on 'decentralization'. I think what you mean is 'distributive', which by definition is something that wind has to be...you have to cover hundreds of square km at sea or on land with wind turbines...

    But people are totally hung up with this 'decentralization' vs 'centralization'. It's a fake discussion and decentralizaiton provides ZERO value to anything especially as it goes more or less undefined. The solar is only good for about 4 hours at rates capacity. It does NOT corrresponds to peak, even in Germany. Taht you produce, say, 15% of your solar capacity at peak is basically useless. It's wind, mass (over)building of wind that provides the real energy from contemporary renewable builds.

    Germany's (like many countries) because it has a huge renewable capacity is highly centralized. IT is the most centralized in Europe in fact. That's not a criticism, that's a "good thing" meaning it has to be highly centralized to be able to wheel power and account for baseload (some that you can't 'disagree' with if you don't understand what that means...the laws of physics don't change) nationally throughout German. It's an illusion to believe that because the roottop solar is 'distrubuted' that somehow this means decentralization. Just the opposite in fact (which is a good thing, again).

    As for %s, we'll see if the fossil fuel plants actually close...and the 3gws doesn't even scratch the huge number of GTs they've built.

    Sweden, the viking gods bless'em...they get 54% of their electricity from hydro and 40% from nuclear. So Germany will continue to rely on...Swedish nuclear as well! Ha!

    Dr. Isaac Asimov: "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' but 'That's funny ...'"

    by davidwalters on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 09:17:13 AM PDT

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    •  Yawn... you are putting words in my mouth, David (1+ / 0-)
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      citisven

      I said no such thing, and it was late - as I did clearly state.

      Your BS talking points are old hat. I told you long ago that the nuclear industry is dying, and you got all in a huff. You still refuse to believe it, even though the proof is right in front of you.

      Ah, well...  none is so blind as will not see.

      Cheers.

      „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

      by translatorpro on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 09:28:42 AM PDT

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    •  Interesting news from Ontario (1+ / 0-)
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      raoul78

      Ontario Power Generation is in the process of going totally fossil-fuel free for electricity generation. They recently brought some mothballed nuclear plants (CANDUs, I think) back into use as baseload generators (about 6.5GW) and combined with lots of hydro (up to another 6GW) as a variable supply source they've nearly eliminated coal as a fuel source for electrical generation. They still have some gas-fired plant on tap but they don't seem to use it much these days and they're looking at converting their remaining carbon-thermal capacity to be able to use biomass as well -- given Canada's large lumber production business there should be a lot of low-cost forestry waste that can be burned for power when the conversion is complete.

      http://www.opg.com/...

       On the other hand Germany has vague plans to reduce their coal consumption to 25% of generating capacity by 2050, assuming cheap Russian gas is still available by then.

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