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  •  The mid to long-term plan IS to have a combination (0+ / 0-)

    of power sources for back-up capacity, also with plants powered by bio-gas (I think that's the English term)/gas from renewable/sustainable resources.

    From the linked live-blog with the German govt. energy expert above, but apparently you didn't read far enough:

    What is needed in the future is back-up capacity for solar and wind. Coal-powered plants are much too expensive to serve that The cost of capital is way too high and can’t be paid off in view of the diminishing full load hour output.
    Back-up capacity, which will be used only when there is no wind or sunshine, will consist of a variety of options, such as biomass, which is already at 6 GW output and can easily be increased to 20 GW output, . Pumped storage hydropower stations are another possibility, as are gas turbines with renewable gas.
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

    by translatorpro on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 10:06:02 AM PDT

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    •  Yes I read down that far. (1+ / 0-)
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      I've yet to see anyone claim that "biogas" can generate enough backup power for the US to firm up renewables.

      In a similar recent discussion regarding Australia, the diarist conceded biogas capture from large feedlots may do the job in that country, but probably not in the US.

      “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

      by 6412093 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:47:43 PM PDT

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      •  I'm talking about Germany only. (1+ / 0-)
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        I have no idea what the US plans, as I haven't lived there for over 20 years.

        „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

        by translatorpro on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 11:08:54 PM PDT

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        •  As you know, a lot of people (1+ / 0-)
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          on Dailykos, including me, are cheering for Germany to show us the way.

          “The answer must be, I think, that beauty and grace are performed whether or not we will or sense them. The least we can do is try to be there.” ― Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek

          by 6412093 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 09:31:54 AM PDT

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          •  I just registered that 52% figure in your (0+ / 0-)

            post higher up, and that doesn't sound right to me. I'm under deadline pressure right now, so I can't dig into it, but here are a couple of sources in English that you might find interesting:
            http://k.lenz.name/...  Scroll down to find the story this diary is based on, lots of links

            Somewhat drier fare:
            http://www.germanenergyblog.de/

            Here is a resource in German, but the graph at the top is pretty self-explanatory. English contains lots of German (Anglo-Saxon) words.

            http://www.unendlich-viel-energie.de/...

            What most people don't realize is that the plan for Germany's energy future is laid out for 50 years (from the time it was implemented, now just under 40 years - to 2050), not just one or a few. Looking at just one  or two year figures is not going to tell you very much.

            „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

            by translatorpro on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 12:07:56 PM PDT

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