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  •  I should downrate you... (2+ / 0-)
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    Texnance, caul

    ....for being so anti-Vikings.

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      Or uprate for levity.  Although I'm no longer bemused by football craziness; there's way too much money being ripped out of taxpayer wallets to support Lifestyles of the Rich and Infamous.

      This whole discussion is interesting.  I'm in general agreement with the reaction that nutjob politics can really turn people off an entire body of work.

      Can someone think of writers who went off the deep end in the "other direction" (for want of a better term). Although I'm not sure what that would consist of.  In the current climate, a work which emphasized democracy would probably be portrayed as insane radicalism.

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      by tle on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:31:00 PM PDT

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        Heh, I like the Vikings but I'm not a crazed fan. Attempts to extort new Stadiums by the Vikings and Twins (and I AM a crazed fan about the Twins) are little short of robbery.

        I'm not sure if Card really went off the deep end. I mean as a Mormon he probably always felt the way he does about social issues. Maybe he just decided to take his life-jacket off?

        As for going the other way, I can't really think of any. I tend to prefer the fantasy genre, and that can be rather conservative. On the other hand, I have known authors to switch writing styles but that's usually attributable to a personal change rather than a political overhaul. I think TVtropes does actually list a few examples from the left in their creator on board or related entries.

      •  I'm sure there are some crazy leftist SF writers (0+ / 0-)

        out there.

        Can't think of any offhand, though, except maybe later Norman Spinrad.

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        by raboof on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 08:26:19 AM PDT

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      •  SF people tend to lean libertarian (1+ / 0-)
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        so if a SF novelist went 'off the deep end' to the left, the most likely result would be a large pile of anarchist manifestos. I can't think of any who have actually done that, though. Can't think of any SF writers with piles of right-libertarian screeds either.

        That's not really surprising, since anarchist/libertarian political writing is basically science fiction dressed up as philosophy, so it's more fun to just keep writing the real thing. (I'm a left-libertarian SF lover myself so I can say that :)

        Traditional lefties are rare among SF novelists. If we broaden our search to include fantasy, though, we pick up a fair number of traditional liberal feminists. That means in theory we could see someone go 'off the deep end' into the crazy side of radical feminism and start pushing lesbian separatism and/or Janice-Raymond-style transphobic asshattery. Again, it hasn't happened. And I don't think it's very likely.

        If we broaden the search some more to include SF screenwriters, we start to have more luck; the film industry is more traditionally liberal. Here, I think our best bet would be Neill Blomkamp. Everything he's done has been liberal, but his latest film, Elysium, is literally promoting revolutionary socialism. I do mean literally.

        But he still doesn't quite qualify for Card equivalency. He fails on two counts:

        First, while Elysium is so far left it's off the map of American politics, it's not actually batshit crazy; he's not pushing a Maoist/Stalinist regime or anything. Just, you know, forcibly taking over the government, confiscating the wealth of the 0.01% and distributing equal shares of it to everyone on the planet, and also free universal healthcare.

        Second, I don't think he's written any substantive political commentary outside of his fiction.

        So basically the answer is "no, not so far, at least not in the SFverse. You might have more luck in the literary fiction section."

        "Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines." - Sgt. Maj Michael Barrett on DADT repeal

        by kyril on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 01:29:04 PM PDT

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      I said it was gratuitous football trolling. So I beg you to take it in the jesting manner in which it was stated, and then we can all get together an mock the Lions.

      Wait, Detroits going though enough crap right now... Tampa, they used to be in our division. We'll mock Tampa.

      Now on to the serious part:
      And keep up the no public funding push, that I completely respect and am glad that someone is standing up on that.

      It is better to be making the news than taking it; to be an actor rather than a critic. - WSC

      by Solarian on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 07:37:56 AM PDT

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