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    completely ignores post-Reformation Protestant abuses.  Do you know anything about the 30 years war, the 100 years war, the English civil war, etc?  It's deeply important to understand what religion was during this time period.  It wasn't a "belief" as we think of it today (indeed, the concept of faith as we understand it today is a thoroughly modern invention as a sort of rhetorical toy to evade the critical spirit that arose during the enlightenment, cf. The Secular Age by Charles Taylor.  The existence of God and the truth of Christianity was experienced as entirely obvious prior to this period, much like its obvious to us that germs cause sickness even though we can't see them).  The church was a STATE institution functioning as the foundation of government and the justification of monarchs.  These wars were all political wars.  At any rate, with very SMALL exceptions, both Protestantism and Catholicism were overwhelmingly on the side of monarchy as democratic thought began to spread (no doubt due to the rise of capitalism and the emergence of new wealthy traders that demanded the aristocrats share the power).  

    What alternative was there, you ask?  Well, you see, there were these little things called the Greece and Rome of antiquity that had invented ideas like democracy and republics (ideas, I add, completely foreign to Christianity with it's model of big daddy ruling over creation) that the schoolmarm and monks were well aware of as they did, after all read the works of antiquity.  Yet STILL they sided with monarchy because they believed this is what god decreed and sought to protect their own power.  This diary is completely upside down and is the sort of things that give Christians a reputation for being dishonest, endlessly distorting evidence and history to suit their own agenda.

    •  Lenin, Stalin, Mao...humanists (0+ / 0-)

      Shall I attribute their atrocities to their humanism and then to all humanists?  Of course not.  Bad apples don't spoil the whole bunch.  

      Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. As good as I am, the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway. –jbou (2013)

      by Simul Iustus et Peccator on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 04:21:17 PM PDT

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    •  Clearly it irks people that a whole lot of good (1+ / 0-)
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      has come out of a tradition that they are committed to scorning.  I do not expect anyone to convert because of a diary like this.  I am merely pointing out that which is the object of widespread derision on the left is not the monstrosity the script says it is.  

      Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. As good as I am, the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway. –jbou (2013)

      by Simul Iustus et Peccator on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 04:24:46 PM PDT

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      •  And I was pointing (1+ / 0-)
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        out that your claims were grossly inaccurate historically.  It was not the idea of something good coming out of Protestant that irks me (if you read my first comment in this diary I praise MODERN mainline Protestantism).  It is your historical inaccuracy and dishonesty that irks me.  What you're doing is the same as fundies presenting the founding fathers as fundies.  Nice persecution complex you got going there, though.

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