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  •  I think that there is plenty of evidence (0+ / 0-)

    to question the notion that there was a democratically elected government the last time - and I would also say that the US involvement in pressuring the military to have an election super quick the last time contributed to making the last election less than fair and upright on a lot of fronts - not the least of which is the fact that none of the political constituencies outside of the Muslim Brotherhood were organized or prepared to put together political movements as quickly as that speedy election calendar demanded.  So, sure, let's stay out of it.  Maybe the Egyptians would be able to actually set their own schedule for building democracy rather than adhering to some dictate from the US that doesn't take into account the political realities of that country.

    All told, it took some 70-80 years for democratic ideals to be assimilated in what was the American Colonies and then the United States.  We keep acting like people holding up purple fingers means that a people that have lived under authoritarian dictatorships have suddenly politically, culturally, socially and economically assimilated what democracy is and means.  That is just not how it works - and any dreams of democracy are that much more in peril when there is a singular religion that is largely predominant in said society.  

    The American Colonists had the advantage of having a religious landscape that was so diverse that it would have made it impossible to have established a theocratic state.  Far too many factions within factions here.  That's less true of a country like Egypt and Islam in the Muslim Brotherhood's interpretation is incredibly demanding about adherence to the letter.  That's a problem since it really is imperative that a people either pick a secular government or they pick the religion especially when the religion is in effect competing for overall powers of governance.

    Apparently, the Muslim Brotherhood was attempting to run the country based on the Koran and while that was a nice thought for them, neither the Koran, nor the Bible nor any other major religious book actually offers good instruction about governing - and where these books offer guidance - that guidance is incredibly outdated in most cases.

    Anyway, sure call it a coup and cut the funding.  I am not entirely sure why we didn't do that after Mubarak though or why people weren't calling for that move then.  Oh yeah, that's because we thought that the spell of the democracy fairy had magically transformed the country.

    •  re: I think that there is plenty of evidence (0+ / 0-)

      It's certainly your right to think that, but "the international community," including the UN, recognized the election as "substantially free and fair" and that is not a point seriously disputed, even by those who oppose cutting off U.S. aid.

      The law didn't apply in the case of Mubarak because he was not democratically elected - no-one seriously claimed that those elections were not a sham. The law doesn't say aid has to be cut off when there's a coup. It says aid has to be cut off when there's a coup against a democratically elected government.

      •  Well, groovy - "democratically elected" (0+ / 0-)

        but not much of a democracy emerged - far from it.  It was fast becoming a theocratic dictatorship - and Morsi's government could not even seem to actually operate the government effectively on top of everything else.

        Again, fine, cut the funding.  Honestly, I do not think that US perspective, law or our funding have much to do with the political realities on the ground in that country - or the people's needs.

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