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  •  Either it's a crime, in which case he should (12+ / 0-)

    have been charged, or it's not a crime, in which case they shouldn't have detained him to begin with.

    Seriously, if it's really as cut-and-dried as all that — he had the documents and that was illegal — then the situation makes no sense.

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    by Code Monkey on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 06:40:52 PM PDT

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    •  no one (15+ / 0-)

      Has explained why a Brazilian national in Brittain is subject to US secrecy laws.  Or how US secrecy laws apply at all in Brittain.  There was no law broken, that's why.  And it was pure harassment.  

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      by Nada Lemming on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:05:08 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you. (0+ / 0-)

        Still doesn't add up to me though.

        Won't Britain hold a suspect wanted or at least accused(ok, suspected of acting in concert of a crime) of a crime in the US? Seems like if you committed a crime against Britain(ok, debatable if it is a crime), then the U.S. would hold you until Britain could pick you up.

        I should probably just stop thinking about it. It is just too full of subterfuge & spy-stuff for me to figure out. I guess I'll say this about the whole deal(not just Miranda's detaining). I don't think we have enough info for me to take sides. Too gray for me to make a call at this point.

        Thanks for your reply, Nada Lemming.

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        by Thinking Fella on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:20:50 PM PDT

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      •  Some of the documents refer not only to ... (2+ / 0-)
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        ... US systems, but to systems used by Great Britain as well.  XKeyScore is one example.  The revelation outraged people here, but the tool is also used in England, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia.  If Miranda had tried to get through Brazil using any of those countries the same thing would probably have happened.  The documents being shuffled around are Top Secret, they were stolen by Snowden, and given to Poitras and GG, now there's a Brazilian national (who isn't a journalist) running around the world with them.  Do you think that would raise some alarm bells?

        Simpler - the US and GB use some of the same programs to spy, GB sees their national security at risk as much as the US does.

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        by Hey338Too on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 07:51:48 PM PDT

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        •  Deflect much? (5+ / 0-)

          What law was broken?  Speculation on what the drives contain is immaterial.  It is not a crime for a Brazilian to have on his person secret US material.  No matter how badly Obama wants it back, there still are laws.  What law?  

          Bad things aren't bad! And anyway, there's mitigation!

          by Nada Lemming on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 10:07:58 PM PDT

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          •  Really? Would you like to cite a case... (0+ / 0-)

            ... where it was considered legal:

            for a Brazilian to have on his person secret US material
            I'm expecting crickets from you!

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            by Hey338Too on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 10:25:22 PM PDT

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            •  US law actually doesn't matter at all since this (4+ / 0-)

              all took place in Britain which is entirely outside of the jurisdiction of the US Justice System. As I don't know the UK's legal system very well I don't know what law was broken if a law was broken at all.

              But there was nothing about this that was illegal under US law since US law does not apply in this situation. On another note. If you're claiming it's illegal you have the responsibility of citing a case because things are generally assumed legal unless shown to be illegal. All of that is mot of course because this wasn't in the US.

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              by AoT on Mon Aug 19, 2013 at 11:01:50 PM PDT

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            •  More deflection (2+ / 0-)
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              I asked you to cite what British law did Miranda violate?

              Until you or GB answer that question, this isn't going away.

              The only statement that government has made is that they detained him for terrorism.  Unless you are claiming journalism is terrorism, I'd like you to site the law that prohibits a non US citizen to possess secret US documents in Great Brittain.

              It's not illegal for YOU to possess them HERE.  But maybe there is some law I am not aware of there.  

              Bad things aren't bad! And anyway, there's mitigation!

              by Nada Lemming on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 09:34:13 AM PDT

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              •  Here you go: (0+ / 0-)

                From MI5:

                The use or threat of action designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public, or a section of the public; made for the purposes of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause; and it involves or causes:

                    serious violence against a person;
                    serious damage to a property;
                    a threat to a person's life;
                    a serious risk to the health and safety of the public; or
                    serious interference with or disruption to an electronic system.

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                by Hey338Too on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:52:35 AM PDT

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