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  •  in the news: Jared Loughner (15+ / 0-)

    There was a Diary here on KOS, shortly after 'the Tucson shooting', that stated the actual rate of violence committed by schizophrenics was lower that the rate for the general population.
    But that does fit the popular meme.
     Its often our preconceived perceptions & built in prejudices that lead to knee jerk solutions.

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    by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 09:08:11 AM PDT

    •  I did not know that. (9+ / 0-)

      I did point out that not all paranoid schizophrenics would do something like that. But I'd think the likelihood of him killing those people would be less if he was being treated. Not because the schizophrenia MADE him do it or anything like that. But the shrink would probably see that side of him and try to help him work through it. Well, I'd hope anyway.

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      by KVoimakas on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 09:12:29 AM PDT

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    •  Do you have a link? I would like to see that as (1+ / 0-)
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      it sounds crazy.

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      by DefendOurConstitution on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:18:12 AM PDT

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    •  Vast majority of people with mental health (8+ / 0-)

      problems are non violent.

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      by LilithGardener on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 10:33:29 AM PDT

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    •  Violence and Schizophrenia (3+ / 0-)

      You are absolutely correct: as a whole, people with schizophrenia are rarely violent, compared to the general (healthy) population.  Indeed, because they tend to be shy and retiring, people with schizophrenia are far more likely to be victims of violence when compared to the general (healthy) population.

      Interestingly, because we as a society view the behavior of mass shootings as both criminal and crazy (with exceptions made for military personnel in some situations), everyone who commits a mass shooting is identified as have some sort of psychiatric illness; even when the perpetrator has no previous diagnosis or even contact with psychiatric health care providers.  Yet, there is no recognized psychiatric illness for people who act out violently (in the absence of other disease signs and symptoms).  

      The burden then falls on those who have a psychiatric diagnosis to show they are not violent or a danger (when, in fact, very few psychiatric illnesses are characterized by violent behavior).

      I therefore think it is dangerous to "address mental health issues" as primary means to reduce gunshot injuries.  A)  Psychiatry has no methods or success whatsoever in predicting future acts of violence in groups or individuals; B)  Most people who commit acts of mass shootings do not have a psychiatric illness up until the moment they start shooting, and then are identified as having a psychiatric illness only by virtue of being someone who commits a mass shooting; the effort blame shootings on psychiatric illness stigmatizes those people who have psychiatric illness.

      Certainly, someone who does a mass shooting seems crazy to us all, but that does not mean they have a psychiatric illness.  And it does not mean that psychiatrists can identify such a person before they shoot others, and it does not mean the psychiatrists have effective treatments for such behaviors.

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      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 11:03:29 AM PDT

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      •  a psychiatric illness up until the moment they... (3+ / 0-)
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        start shooting

        the odds of effective mental health care interrupting intervening in  a mass shooting might be pretty small, but typical 'crazy' shootings happen every day, Its called domestic abuse , the mental health care system is the 1st choice that the courts choose b/4 repeat offenses bring jail time

        Who is mighty ? One who turns an enemy into a friend !

        by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 12:53:36 PM PDT

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