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  •  I'm sorry gram, I just don't understand (2+ / 0-)
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    I was beaten, I was bullied. I was small with a funny last name and I get bullied every day in school til i finally caught up in size and put a stop to it, years worth of bullying.
    If its all about the poor bullied, beaten kid then well, I'm him.
    I don't understand why the outrage over the comic. It's not about the child, its about the parent.
    I honestly cant fathom the outrage. It makes no sense to me.
    I've read thru every comment, for and against, and I'm just not seeing anyhting that trips a light in my head and makes the objection clear  to me.
    I'm very confused, I would have thought that here was one of those intersections in reality where we would all meet.
    I don't know what to say.

    •  Dennis- you may not want to hear from me, (8+ / 0-)

      I was the first to HR this diary. So I know you are angry with me. But please, hear me out.

      First, I am so sorry that you, and so many others here, were bullied and beaten and abused as kids. No one should ever have that happen to them.

      Second, I am not ( and I don't think anyone else here is either ) saying that I am a better parent than you or that you are a bad parent. Not at all.

      But it seems to me that a lot of innocent kids are having to deal with horrible, scarring violence and it breaks my heart.

      I think that to accept the premise in this cartoon as funny, is to do a disservice to those children.

      My decision to HR was not an easy one. I struggled with it. But in the end, my heart told me I must.

      You cannot cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water. Rabindranath Tagore

      by Thomasina on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 06:26:23 PM PDT

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      •  does a disservice .... (2+ / 0-)
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        theres a light I hadn't really looked at this issue under.
        I'm gonna have to think about that. thank you for bringing that to me.
        I know I'm a lucky one because I survived, I didn't die but others have and do. Theres a measure of survivors guilt at play here, which is why I think you've given me pause.
        I'm not sure I agree with your premise or fully see here, but I can't honestly say I'm certain your point is without merit.
        I keep seeing people saying "I was bullied, I was beat and this is wrong" and I know I was beat and I was bullied and I think it expresses a part of parenthood very well, in a humorous way.
        But now I'm gonna have to think about this more.
        I've confronted physical and verbal child abuse many many times over the years, in public, in my neighborhood. It's a quick trigger to a guaranteed intervention on my part.
        A diservice huh? If we as parents say to our parents for example "the kid is making me nuts, sometime I just wanna strangle him". Does that dishonor the suffering of those who have been or are being abused? Is saying that the same thing as the comic? if not, then how is it different?
        I'm gonna have to think about this now.

        I wasn't angry over the HR's, I just thought them silly. But now I'm not as certain. Gonna have to think about this.

        I will say I think people should be more careful about making statements regarding other peoples parenting. If there have ever been hot button issues in the history of man, thats one of the big ones. Its an area where I think people should choose their words carefully to avoid misunderstandings, unless their intent WAS to judge harshly of course. In which case they should expect a less than friendly response.

        •  Thanks for this reply dennis. I responded to you (4+ / 0-)
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          because I could see that you were in turmoil and I did not want you to think that I, or anyone else, was calling you a bad parent. I am sure that you are a great one. And the diarist too for that matter.

          I guess the difference, for me, at least, between saying, as we all do, "this kid is driving me nuts" and this comic is a fine line. One that we all have to negotiate to figure out what we are comfortable with.

          And since you have agreed to think about my point of view, I will consider yours as well.

          I hope we get a chance to chat again some time.

          Take care.

          You cannot cross the sea merely by standing and staring at the water. Rabindranath Tagore

          by Thomasina on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 07:36:06 PM PDT

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      •  Unfortunately, (0+ / 0-)

        too many people have a warped idea of what is "funny". I'm old enough to remember when "harelip jokes" were commonly considered funny. And by the way, IMNSHO you are completely wasting your time trying to connect with the people who are defending this wretched cartoon.

        The more people I encounter, the more I appreciate our cats.

        by Old Sailor on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 07:26:57 AM PDT

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    •  I'm glad you're not upset by this (4+ / 0-)
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      Nowhere Man, Eyesbright, dennis1958, Smoh

      even though you were bullied and beaten. Other people are though, and I think we should respect that. I also think the cartoonist might have seen that this could trigger some old hurts in people who were bullied.

      That's the problem with edgy humor- it's going to affect people differently based on their experiences and attitudes.
      I get that it's supposed to be "about the parent", but a cartoon that depicts a little kid getting punched (by someone his father paid off) is guaranteed to offend a lot of people, no matter the intent.

      Someone below mentioned the book "Go the Fuck to Sleep", which is also an expression of parental frustration, but everyone loves it. Little kids getting punched out, not so much. To me it's about as funny as a wife-beating "joke".

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