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  •  Specifically which parts are "probably utter BS"? (0+ / 0-)

    The worship of guns requires human sacrifices evidently. ~richardak

    by denig on Tue Aug 20, 2013 at 03:40:20 PM PDT

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    •  Since you asked, 1 specific example (2+ / 0-)
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      There were entire books written (20 years ago I think) advancing the thesis that the Minoans and others were clearly highly peaceful matriarchies that must have been overwhelmed by more brutish patriarchies. The lack of walls or fortifications of any kind around Minos and other sites was taken as proof of their inherently peace loving nature.
      A (much) more mainstream view is they didnt NEED walls to protect themselves. They lived on a smallish island, and had the largest most ass kicking navy in the Eastern Mediterranean (attested to in Greek writings).
      The eternal problem with cultures that didnt write things down (or not in any language we can decipher) is youre left with pictures and objects. And they tend to become a Rorschach test mirroring the investigators agenda, as much as anything else. Its happened over and over and over again.
      This series, clearly a labor of love, may be as good a starting point as many others for interested readers. But thats all it is.

      •  Thank you. But you are citing 'views'. (0+ / 0-)

        How does that translate to the diarist writing "BS"?

        I've only had one cup of coffee, so perhaps I'm not understanding what you're saying.  Wouldn't a "BS" label require actual facts to back it up?

        I just reread what you wrote (always a good idea) and I see you qualified your "BS" with a "probably".  Which makes for a more interesting discussion, for sure.

        The eternal problem with cultures that didnt write things down (or not in any language we can decipher) is youre left with pictures and objects. And they tend to become a Rorschach test mirroring the investigators agenda, as much as anything else. Its happened over and over and over again.
        Do you see this as a stumbling block for the diarist only? Or do you extend that  mirror to the other views you typed here, including your own?

        The worship of guns requires human sacrifices evidently. ~richardak

        by denig on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 09:24:25 AM PDT

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        •  The mirror isnt a stumbling block for me because (1+ / 0-)
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          I know its there and I openly acknowledge it. I havent seen anywhere in this long series any admission that some of its more speculative points are just that, speculation, and in many cases speculation far outside the mainstream. Instead everything is simply presented as an inarguable fact. I think thats a disservice to readers, esp novices. Heck, even on those HI programs everyone makes fun of they say "what if.........".

    •  Having thirded Dr. Terwilliker's comment... (1+ / 0-)
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      I'll explain my agreement, and perpective. This series, as a whole, relies on outdated sources and outmoded theory. There is little to no engagement with the current literature on any of the historical periods or issues addressed. The series relates a compelling narrative, but wishful projection does not equal methodologically sound history.

      The series is also a kind of conspiracy theory, as is evident in Footnote [1] of this diary, some variant of which has appeared since Part IX. The 9,000,000 number originates in the methodologically flawed extrapolation by Voigt (1784), who estimated 9,442,994 witch-burnings. Yet if one looks at the method by which he arrived at that number, it's deeply flawed. A methodologically sound estimate is that of Levack (2006), who estimates ~60,000 witch-burnings. Nonetheless, the highest estimates (in the millions) for the number of witch-burnings have cropped up again and again, from the mid-nineteenth century to today, as "established fact" in non-specialist literature serving particular narrative interests.

      But read Footnote [1] carefully. If one suggests that the highest estimates for the number of witch-burnings are incorrect, then one is deemed to be participating in a conspiracy by the Church to silence the truth. Similarly, if one notes the absence of evidence supporting the presumed (by the diarist) existence of a Gimbutasian "Goddess Culture," and the presence of disconfirming evidence, then one is deemed to be participating in a conspiracy by the Academy specifically, and the Patriarchy more generally, to silence the truth.

      Logical contradictions, disconfirming evidence, even the complete absence of proof have no bearing on the conspiratorial explanation because they can always be accounted for in terms of the conspiracy: the lack of proof about a plot, or any positive proof against its existence, is turned around and taken as evidence of the craftiness of the secret cabal behind the conspiracy and as confirmation of its ability to conceal its machinations. Conspiracy theories thus become "the only theories for which evidence against them is actually construed as evidence in favour of them." (Byford 2011)
      The series is weak history, weak archaeology and a strong example of the conspiratorial style of pseudo-science. I grant that the overall narrative is compelling, but much of it is fantasy.

      Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

      by angry marmot on Wed Aug 21, 2013 at 06:25:34 AM PDT

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