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  •  His reasoning should (0+ / 0-)

    still have been that thesenthingsnarenwrong, full stop.  It's hard to see someone who leaves these things because of colonialism as a friend or alien.  Remember that whole "least of us" thing?

    •  Could we maybe just be happy that someone (8+ / 0-)

      has decided to quit judging and not worry so much about how or why they changed their minds?  Good lord.  

      •  Thanks. My head was starting to spin. (1+ / 0-)
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        by Smoh on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 07:12:05 AM PDT

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      •  No (2+ / 0-)
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        Because the homophobia is not being stopped. It is being outbid by racism. Now there's both homophobia and racism in power. Those are reasons people change their minds, that mean they'll do bad things to people again.

        They haven't "quit judging". They've said they're not going to execute gay people on the basis that they're even bigger racists than homophobes. They're judging, they're just even more screwed up than before.

        It's not a solution. It's the problems getting worse. I'm glad there's a momentary respite, but I'm even more concerned that the next cycle will be even worse.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 08:41:00 AM PDT

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        •  What a bunch of crap. The person who's change (1+ / 0-)
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          of mind you're complaining of didn't say he was going to quit executing gays; he said he was going to quit judging them.

          And you're essentially creating racism here.  While the term "white guy" was used, it was shorthand for some guy who has nothing to do with us, who comes from another continent, another culture who considers it superior to us, and who has nothing to do with us except to want to use us by whipping up anger and hatred."  

          Yes, the problems are getting worse.  And that's why it's crucial to accept all sensible people into the fold and to not further divide those on the right side by inserting concerns about racism into it.  Let's stay clear on who is the victim here - it's NOT whites.  It's the LGBTs.  

          •  Your Crap (1+ / 0-)
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            The guy said they're dropping their homophobia now that they think it was a White guy preying on their homophobia, rather than their fellows they thought it was before. Of course "White guy" is shorthand - that's the racism.

            I didn't say "Whites are the victims". Everyone is the victim of racism, as I pointed out.

            You are piling fallacy on fallacy, denying obvious racism, and being rude about it. Goodbye.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 09:51:37 AM PDT

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            •  Go back and read the posts that this was (1+ / 0-)
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              responding to.  While the diary says that, the post starting this thread discussed someone who specifically said he was going to start letting god do the judging.

              Okay, say I buy the simplistic idea that because the words "white guy" were used, of course racism is involved.  Tell me exactly how getting all hot and bothered about those words are going to help the LGBT is Uganda.  

              Somehow, I just have a really hard time getting upset that people are considering backing off the idea of killing gays and voice irritation that a white guy got them on board for the idea in the first place.  Rather, I'm just fucking glad they're backing off on it.  But you seem to think that it's more important to focus on their "racism" than on the possible improvement for LGBTs.  I think saving peoples' lives is a tad bit more important than whether they choose to describe a guy they're ticked off at for pushing them into treating them worse as white.

              •  Getting Upset (0+ / 0-)

                Look, I didn't say I'm upset that people are considering backing off the idea of killing gays. I'm not. Of course I'm very happy.

                But that doesn't require I be happy, or even accept, that they're backing off on the basis that it was a White guy's idea to kill the gays. Because 1: that's racism, which makes me unhappy; 2: the homophobia isn't gone, it's just overridden by racism, which means the homophobia (and killing gays) will be back; 3: the combination of homophobia and racism is even worse than either of the two alone.

                Racism is not OK even when it overrides homophobia, even though homophobia is bad. Racism is not OK even if it's was created by colonialism - its one way colonialism is so destructive. I'm happy that gays are not being killed, but I'm not happy about the reasons. We live in a world where these complexities of human nature are real. The enemy of my enemy isn't my friend, especially when it's also my enemy.

                "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 03:23:21 PM PDT

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      •  No, because the homophobia (0+ / 0-)

        persists.  

        •  So we can't be glad of improvement? We can't (2+ / 0-)
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          be glad that maybe gays won't be killed?  We can't be glad that some people are deciding to quit hating them and "let god judge"?   I highly suspect that the LGBT living there would be quite relieved to have a guy saying "I'll let god judge" rather than "kill him, kill him".

          But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe they'd all rather have the two choices be what the glass is half empty people seem to think.  Either they want full acceptance or they'd prefer to risk death if they're outed.

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