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  •  You were sitting in a sports stadium... (3+ / 0-)
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    to watch a basketball team...

    presumably because you had freely made a decision to purchase tickets to see that team...

    play in a league with revenues in the billions of dollars...

    in a stadium built with $375 million dollars of private financing...

    which had a flaw...

    and that made you think we live in a Banana Republic.

    Non futuis apud Boston

    by kenlac on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 12:28:18 PM PDT

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    •  For sure. It is precisely because Staples Center (1+ / 0-)
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      was so new and state of the art, and so much money and prestige presumably comes with the Lakers, which is why I immediately remarked at the time, and boyfriend concurred, it was like a banana republic.

      In my view of the universe, a new roof isn't supposed to leak all over Kobe Bryant

      •  Let me try this one more time: (4+ / 0-)

        Banana republics don't have privately funded multi-million dollar sports stadiums or Kobe Bryants.

        Non futuis apud Boston

        by kenlac on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 12:39:13 PM PDT

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      •  In a real banana republic, (2+ / 0-)
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        you'd be watching public executions in the Staples Center, not a basketball game.

        What you describe is UpperClassProblems not a banana republic.

        •  I think we can agree to disagree but (2+ / 0-)
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          Of course we are a rich nation, which goes to your point but also to my point, and this is my honest opinion since it happened, Staples Center leaking on a world class sports team, probably the most famous one of all, well, for me it was a black eye for the United States

          I mean, take say LAX, as a side example on a different topic.  Compare it to most other airports out there (European, Asian, Latin American), and I'm sure you can find exceptions to the rule, but America is not keeping up to standards the way it should be.  They way they treat people as opposed to other airports, it needs to be improved to higher standards.

          Our infrastructure is falling apart and we all supposed to be concerned we're broke, when we're the richest country on earth

          We can probably do a lot better instead of going this direction, towards a banana republic.  Are we there?  No but we are heading in that direction (look at bridges, the topic of this diary, mass transit) etc..

          •  So tell me Dianna (0+ / 0-)

            How much are tickets to a Lakers Game?

            •  And explain does that have to do with it nt (0+ / 0-)
            •  Actually (1+ / 0-)
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              at the time probably less than a hundred, but I'm just guessing  

              •  In a banana republic who would that make you? (0+ / 0-)

                The plantation owner or the workers in the fields?

              •  You'll notice a patter: not sticking to the (1+ / 0-)
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                subject; childish name-calling and mockery; absurd questions, etc.  It's up to you, but once you see that pattern I think is better not to engage since at that point your not dealing with people who are really interested in discussing the topic in an intellectually-honest manner.

                •  Yeah, I guess you're right. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Sometimes I fall for it.  I used to comment here a while ago and I'm not used to the way, in my view, the place has changed.  Thanks.

                  •  They're goading people to distract from the (1+ / 0-)
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                    subject.  Why?  I don't know.  But I think people hare are smarting up about.  It really is not worth it to engage them.

                    •  Really? You don't know? (0+ / 0-)

                      I can tell you why I'm pissed off at you, Ray.

                      It's because some of us have been following this story carefully. Some of us have the background to understand it reasonably well (although my materials science class was a reeeeally long time ago). And you come in and you just spray truths, half-truths, and outright fictions around like one of those garden sprayers that ends up watering the side of my house.

                      And I know, I know, you have no idea that you're doing that. But you're also clearly unwilling to let anyone who, you know, actually does know what he or she is talking about correct you, because it goes against the narrative that you have constructed about the situation.

                      And then you fail to understand, clearly simply don't grasp, why someone might find this frustrating.

                      Well, that's fine. You've accomplished whatever it was you want to accomplish, and most of the people who are hanging out here who don't have a background in engineering (or physics, in my case) believe you. But there, I've told you exactly why people who do have such a background are getting so pissy about this. So you can't go around pretending that you don't understand that, at least, any more. And should you continue to do so, then at least in that case you KNOW that you're lying.

                      •  So your feelings are hurt. Ohhh, your angry! (0+ / 0-)

                        And because your feelings are so hurt and you'r so very angry you come into my diary to write one absurdity after another, driven by anger.... Yes, you took physics, and all that, and you've really been following all this stuff for a long time, and how there someone else disagree with your narrative.

                        And I'm insulting hundreds of thousands of people who have died in the past due to engineering failures.

                        And then you have to audacity to call me a liar.

                        I can almost see the veins popping out of your neck in anger.

                        No need to respond to straw man arguments, and lazy attempts at character assassination.  Again, it's almost funny.

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