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  •  So let me get this straight... (0+ / 0-)

    you want to clone Edward Snowden and somehow magically replace every Congress person and the President with these clones so that our country will instantaneously function like the well-oiled machine it should.  

    I assume that right as we speak you are rounding up these very special people, helping them create their campaigns, securing basic funding (not a one can accept a single dollar from any established corporation or lobbying firm of course), rounding up voters, and ......

    Hmm.  Monumental task it seems and I guess we'd have to throw out Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Bernie Sanders or...would there be the greenbell exception list where you got to decide who's pure enough for your tastes?  

    You know maybe this whole democracy solution of getting quality people elected just isn't going to work for you.  Much faster for you just to sow the seeds of complete revolt and then we don't have to have this messy part (if you ignore the bloody stuff).  Why then it'll just be Greenbell's utopia.

    See greenbell and all the rest of you piling this crap on us day after day, not once, in any of your diaries or comments have I seen any plan, any details at all as to what the next step can actually be if we accept all your bitching and moaning at face value, as the gospel truth.  

    What do you want?  The President impeached?  Biden to take over.  Then what?  How does that get you any closer to your goals?  How does that break the impasse in Congress, get us more jobs, aid students, give us health care?  Your post was one of the most telling you've ever spelled out.  You want the impossible and absurd.  You're willing to entrust the affairs of government to an army of individual whistle-blowers that has had a stated allegiance to the philosophy of hard core libertarians.  And we should take anything you say seriously.

    •  If we could replace the current Congress (1+ / 0-)
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      with 535 people chosen at random, it would be an improvement and I'll bet about 85% of Americans would agree with me.  As for libertarians, while I do not agree with them when it comes to communities of people consenting to join together to work for the public good on things like schools and parks and all that peaceful stuff, they are not wrong about the SMIC.  They are not wrong.  

      If you want a plan, let's start with abolishing the NSA.  We can start there.  Even if we lose a few people to a terrorist act it's not likely to be more than we lost after repealing the 55 MPH speed limit or repealing Prohibition.  We make mistakes sometimes.  We do the wrong thing.  We need to be represented by people willing to admit we are headed in the wrong direction and change course.  

      And I don't apologize for my cynicism because I truly believe we've never had a Congress this corrupt in the last 100 years.  It is not working and when it is working it is not working for us.

      •  You do realize that those random people (1+ / 0-)
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        would likely include not a few like Honey Boo Boo's mama, the guys from Duck Dynasty, along with more than a few racists, homophobes and out and out nutjobs.

        But if you think it would be better, go right ahead.

        •  I am not afraid of the American people (1+ / 0-)
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          I trust them with the truth.  I trust them a lot more than I trust members of Congress who would deny them the truth.  

        •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

          The current 535 Congressmembers include a larger proportion of racists, homophobes and nutjobs than does the American people. As for Honey Boo Boo's Mama and the guys from Duck Dynasty, we have far worse than them in many Congressional seats.

          I think you're not thinking about the terrible quality people who are the majority of the members of Congress. It's hard to realize they're worse overall than the kinds of people you cited, but they are.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 03:14:58 PM PDT

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    •  Law of Averages (0+ / 0-)

      On average, Edward Snowden is better than the members of our Congress.

      Yes, a barely high school graduated rookie IT drudge with a naive sense of patriotism is better than most of our Congressional representatives. Both intellectually and morally.

      Democracy is good. Ours is mediocre at best. Our Constitution is good, if imperfect. But our republic is badly broken. So badly that it fundamentally interferes with our Constitution and our democracy.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 02:34:39 PM PDT

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      •  see the problem though is (0+ / 0-)

        greenbell wants to replace them all.  You used the term "most" not "all".  There's a system in place for changing that ratio of good and bad.  It's called elections and the only chance I see for that system to get better is to never elect a Republican again.  Let's get back on focus and stop with this idiocy of false equivalency.

        •  All (0+ / 0-)

          The law of averages means that since the Congress' average quality is much lower than America's average quality, then replacing all of Congress with a random selection of Americans would increase Congress' quality. It's not necessary to replace only some. This is simply math.

          It's not actual policy. Look, I doubt greenbell seriously wants to replace US elections with a lottery for a draft. Everyone knows that even jury selections don't work that well. They're talking about how Congress doesn't represent Americans at all now, but rather is a concentration of bad people. It is therefore also a commentary on the system in place for populating Congress, which is badly broken.

          BTW, I don't think you're using the term "false equivalency" correctly, either.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 07:44:10 AM PDT

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