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  •  This is hyperbole. (11+ / 0-)
    This is a shameful display from the president

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    by TomP on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 07:34:50 AM PDT

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    •  Nope. It is pretty shameful. Blathering on about (21+ / 0-)

      "accountability" when the big problem is affordability is shameful.
         Except for taking student loans away from the banks, the Obama administration's education policies - with its support for charte schools and other 1% gimmicks has been counterproductive- IOW, shameful.

      •  oh, and having worked in higher ed, (17+ / 0-)

        I'm well aware of the dogwhistle nature of the term "accountability."

        It means that irresponsible liberal teachers are responsible for the failure of their students, just like in the K-12 context.  Except with higher ed, the teachers are also responsible for student inability to graduate in four years and with no more than 120 credit hours.   Demographics, lack of preparation for college work, and misadministration are never responsible; it's always the evil faculty.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 08:12:12 AM PDT

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        •  Yup (3+ / 0-)
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          Not that it's surprising that Obama is using right-wing terminology.

          Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

          by Boogalord on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 11:08:19 AM PDT

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        •  You forgot one thing (4+ / 0-)
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          PART-TIME faculty. Try getting tenure.

          Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

          by blue aardvark on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 11:14:25 AM PDT

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          •  In their world, all faculty are evil. (2+ / 0-)
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            The tenured ones more so, of course, because they're seen as the obstacle (all that "faculty governance" stuff) impeding real business-inspired progress.

            Of course, part-time faculty (the ones who aren't highly compensating visiting "real-world experts" -- like Obama was at Chicago Law, not surprisingly) are treated miserably by universities, and tenured faculty haven't exactly been fearless in taking up their cause.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:24:44 PM PDT

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    •  Agree. (11+ / 0-)

      Sorry, Laura, but this comes off as a simple rant rather than making a real point.

      You admit that the President cannot do anything about state funding, yet you call him shameful for not ranting about it anyway?

      And others on here are dismissing his plan as meaningless campaign blather?

      Yet, you want him to rail against something that he has no control over simply to make you feel better? Now that would be empty campaign rhetoric...but he did not go there.

      It is like a lot of policy positions by some folks on here....

      ''Either he turns the whole system upside down or it is meaningless and not worthy of our time!!''

      Never mind that these are real world suggestions to actually try to improve the value that citizens might derive from a college education....hey, he is not condemning every state in the union and their leadership so who cares about federal funding actually going to the schools that provide the best value!

      What is a shame is your shallow critique of this plan.

      •  We know he can't single-handedly solve it. (2+ / 0-)
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        But he could at least use his position as President of the United States to actually call out the real issues driving up the cost of education instead of taking another opportunity to talk about teacher "accountability", which is a right-wing dog-whistle if there ever was one.

        As the diarist put it so well,

        So, uh, why are the changes he proposes just tinkering around the edges, not addressing the basic problem of declining state funding? Part of the answer is clear, of course: Obama can't make the states increase funding for higher education, and he can't get Congress to do it, either. But why not at least focus on the real issue?
        That's all us "pony-wanters" have ever really asked for.

        Banking on the American people to be able to sort all this out and declare the adult in the room the winner is a very big bet. -Digby

        by Boogalord on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 11:11:56 AM PDT

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    •  No, it's actually diabolical (1+ / 0-)
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      This President is more actor than anything else.

      He pretends to be on the commoners side, but at every twist he ultimately, each and every time he acts in a manner than benefits the 1%.

      Academy Awards level acting, but as for a person who voted for him twice I'm ready to go 3rd party now, and I do not care if it is "throwing away" my vote.  Because the democrats and the republicans are more alike than different, and I am sick of watching the middle class circle the drain.

      The TPP, the school closings, the cabinet full of bad actors from Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, the persecution of whistleblowers, and of course Social Security on the chopping block every five minutes.

      Not falling for it any more!

      Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

      by Einsteinia on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 10:51:32 AM PDT

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