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  •  Do you have the slightest evidence for this? (0+ / 0-)
    Tuition would increase anyway if you gave schools another funnel of funding.
    Because it sounds pretty much like standard pseudo-libertarian cant.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 11:17:12 AM PDT

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    •  Private schools are a good example. (1+ / 0-)
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      Tuition at private institutions is raising annually no matter what they get from alumni.

      And I would need some explanation for why schools would stop raising the price because of state funding when they could simply expand enrollment and increase tuition and make tons of $$$.

      I'm always skeptical if your assumption is that people would turn down a chance to make millions more than they otherwise could.

      The first rule of government should be "Do no harm." The urge to act can frustrate the desire to help.

      by Common Cents on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 11:40:11 AM PDT

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      •  Because state colleges are not-for-profit? (0+ / 0-)

        Where is that money going to go? Not to the college president. Or to the trustees.

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

        by blue aardvark on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 11:50:03 AM PDT

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        •  They are competing with other colleges. (0+ / 0-)

          You want better teachers, better coaches, better facilities, higher rankings etc etc? Then you need more money to compete with the other schools. How do you get more money? Raise tuition, and expand enrollment beyond any reasonable job market so you can keep expanding enrollment and prestige.

          Thinking about colleges, state or private, as not-for-profit at this point is like thinking that college athletes really are amateur student athletes.

          The first rule of government should be "Do no harm." The urge to act can frustrate the desire to help.

          by Common Cents on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:01:30 PM PDT

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          •  Then what you are saying is that (0+ / 0-)

            state funding would result in a higher quality product for the students.

            I fail to see how that is bad.

            Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

            by blue aardvark on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:13:01 PM PDT

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            •  No. Not even close. (0+ / 0-)

              The tuition already is extremely high and schools are making tons of money and the quality of service to the students is terrible because schools have no obligation to make sure students get jobs or even get educated (the school has no skin in the game for outcomes to students).

              So what I'm telling you is that if you increase state funding all you get is another set of money schools will use to compete with each other to try and get more students to attend with no concern about how it helps the students only how it helps the campus grow to attract more future debt slaves with no job.

              The first rule of government should be "Do no harm." The urge to act can frustrate the desire to help.

              by Common Cents on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:15:53 PM PDT

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        •  Facilities "improvements" (0+ / 0-)

          Salaries, benefits, and retirement compensation increases for employees.

          New programs, etc.

          Don't underestimate the ability of non-profits to spend money (or piss it away depending on your point of view). Just because it's non-profit doesn't mean there aren't a lot of employees who want a raise.

          (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
          Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

          by Sparhawk on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 02:47:35 PM PDT

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        •  have you checked (0+ / 0-)

          the pay at state schools? I can tell you that the top administrators are getting paid quite a lot better than the professors. A lot of them are better-paid than the President.

          (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

          by PJEvans on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 02:58:39 PM PDT

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