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  •  Which tells us nothing about the FISC judges. (5+ / 0-)

    To repeat: Many people - including you, come to think of it - have been telling us that the FISC judges are lapdogs who rubber stamp everything.

    They clearly are not.

    Hence, your change of subject from the behavior of the court and the attitude of the judges to the structure of how FISA works - which is a legitimate point, but a different one.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 09:12:08 AM PDT

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    •  Well, no, I've personally never said that. (3+ / 0-)
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      Although the evidence would support that 99% of requests are approved.  The evidence now also shows that these decisions were hidden from the American people, for no apparent reason other than to not embarrass a party (the NSA) which tends to indicate a star chamber, not a typical American court.

      He who would trade liberty for security deserves great customer service.

      by Publius2008 on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 09:21:38 AM PDT

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      •  I've never said that, but I'm saying it. OK. (1+ / 0-)
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        99% of the requests are ultimately approved, meaning that they court sends the applicants back to fix bad requests instead of issuing denials.

        Anyway, I'm not interested, here, in a "random bad shit 'bout the FISC" discussion. I wanted to focus in on one particular point, and will not be having an exchange with you, here, about other, different points.

        Art is the handmaid of human good.

        by joe from Lowell on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 09:25:00 AM PDT

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      •  Reasons for 99% approval? (4+ / 0-)
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        This could well be the result of the government not asking for approval in the first place, unless they are rock solid positive that they are on firm Cjonstitutional grounds with their request.

        “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

        by Catte Nappe on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 12:48:49 PM PDT

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        •  And, Catte Nappe, we've seen ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... in other articles, and even in this particular opinion, the process involved. The Government will contact the Court with briefs on the issue and affidavits, and they'll have a hearing, and then things might be changed or tweaked, and then they have another hearing. In this particular case, I think the Judge said, basically, "the technology is just not there right now to protect civil liberties, and so I'm going to deny your request flatly (with regard to that one locked chest)."

          That's actually good to see.

          Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

          by Tortmaster on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 10:26:01 PM PDT

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    •  Hey Joe (2+ / 0-)
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      Quick quiz Joe

      FISC are appointed by Chief J Roberts.   T/F

      Chief Justice Roberts is a lapdog for the 1%.  T/F

      Ring around the rosy a pocket full of posies..ashes..ashes..we all fall down..

    •  They only rubberstamp warrant requests, so? (1+ / 0-)
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      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 06:34:43 PM PDT

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