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  •  SCOTUS disagrees (2+ / 0-)
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    Der Weg ist Das Ziel

    by duhban on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 07:19:25 PM PDT

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    •  I didn't think the EFF case on the bulk collection (2+ / 0-)
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      had reached the Supreme Court.  Did it?

      •  There's this thing called precedent (3+ / 0-)
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        Phone logs predate wireless and the internet. they were kept by the phone company and were available to law enforcement and Government agencies. What number you called and what number called yours was never considered private.

        The Supreme Court precedent duhban refers to is mentioned in this thread. You might want to read through it so you can avoid making errors like the one above. Until that precedent is overturned it remains the law.

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 07:39:00 PM PDT

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        •  And you may want to avoid the future error (1+ / 0-)
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          of thinking that the NSA was collecting only meta data when in fact they have since acknowledged collecting the content of domestic emails and text messages. And you are right, there is Supreme Court precedent. And it's illegal.  Where are the jail sentences?

          Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

          by bigtimecynic on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 05:32:28 AM PDT

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          •  Excuse me but there's no error (1+ / 0-)
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            at least not as regards my post above, which doesn't touch on this question at all.

            If you want to talk about the ostensibly accidental collection of domestic phone conversations, fine. But injecting them into a discussion where they aren't relevant isn't the way to do it.

            It was suggested that the question of privacy rights regarding the collection of metadata (phone numbers, addresses) was not settled law. It is, regardless of whether we like it or not. Running around claiming otherwise will not resolve the problem. It is, IMO, more likely to discredit critics of the National Security State.

            Is that what you want?

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 09:30:54 AM PDT

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