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  •  If you are comparing (4+ / 0-)
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    Tortmaster, 84thProblem, Kevskos, Simplify

    the telephone company and a federal government spy agency and saying they are equal, then you are missing a very important point.

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 12:00:16 PM PDT

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    •  No, gjohnsit, I am ... (1+ / 0-)
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      Mnemosyne

      ... using the average telephone bill as a concept to illustrate what might be in a typical NSA metadata search. The telephone bill is also used in my post above to show that there is no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in that data. At least three people or entities are aware of that information so, by definition, it isn't private for constitutional purposes.

      Rand Paul is to civil liberties as the Disney Channel is to subtle and nuanced acting.

      by Tortmaster on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 01:03:36 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, you are (2+ / 0-)
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        Kevskos, Simplify

        if you can't see the difference between Ma Bell collecting phone billing information and the NSA collecting your metadata, then please tell when was the last time you have heard about Ma Bell throwing someone in jail.

         Let me add another example to consider: would you have a problem with your employer and health insurance company also accessing those phone records?

         You seem to be trying to tell me that everyone should have access to your telephone records because "there is no reasonable expectation of privacy", and that all the entities are equal, and I just don't think that anyone is ever going to agree with you - except for the current administration.

        None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

        by gjohnsit on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 01:22:02 PM PDT

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