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  •  You are right. (8+ / 0-)

    It bothers me that there seems to be so much being written that taps into an emotional connection... often a rather jejune one... without any, heck I don't wanna say moral responsibility, but I guess that's what I mean, in the sense of John Gardner's "moral fiction"....

    -9.0, -8.3 "Remember, a writer writes. Always." --Throw Momma from the Train

    by SensibleShoes on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 07:45:38 PM PDT

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    •  Yes! (3+ / 0-)

      That's what bugged me the most about Twilight.

    •  is this a consequence of mass young literacy? (2+ / 0-)
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      i'm tempted to wonder whether the attraction of jkr/potter encouraged literacy in youngsters more powerfully than perhaps anything had previously done.   The example of successful appeal to vicarious emotional and sensory experience couldn't go without following by other writers with lower standards.  i'm not a potter fanatic, but i liked the books well enuf and thought most of the themes that troubled me did eventually resolve at a standard higher than i initially saw in the material.

      this

      a fantasy of not having to do anything to be worthy of love, it is enough just to be
      is what everyone wishes for, i'd suppose.  sad irony that the enthusiasms for the various book series seem to instead spawn added realms of conformity to the fashions of thought, behavior, and i suppose appearance templated by the books & films.
      •  I'd love to hear your take on the film (1+ / 0-)
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        when you have a chance to watch it.

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        by wonderful world on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 05:01:39 AM PDT

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        •  i found the film unwatchable but i've got acquired (1+ / 0-)
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          ADD fairly severely, so usually if there's something i find depressing, disappointing, repellant, infuriating, or boring (or heavily irrational political battling in some dk threads i've been shocked with the past couple of days of my first explorations there), i can't seem to force myself to stay put to the final fade.  that's a serious weakness because leaving that soon allows no possibility to find out if what looks repellant or disappointing etc is actually what's going to be explored: really good material and really toxic material can start out much the same.

          i can't read longform nonfiction at all anymore, because of the ADD.   i just do 2 to 3 hours a day readling medical journal material online, and sometimes post comments if i'm worried about serious flaws in the work.  i've gotten some positive response from editors & other readers about the level of the criticism, so i may have some faculties still functioning, but these are pretty short articles and even the research reports aren't so long that my mind goes off on its own merry way.  it went meandering off when i started to watch Twilight, i think at some early point the makeup or lighting started turning various characters faces a peculiar hint-hint kind of color that was actually a bit hard on the eyes as well (maybe my tv screen is too small - it's pretty old fashioned) so don't really have an opinion other than guessing that the previous comments by others in this thread, about writers and filmmakings serving up empty calories spiked with toxins in response to the legitimate wish to be valued for oneself without having to exert to be pleasing (paraphrasing, of course), are well-based.

          my apologies for not responding sooner.  i went offsides when some necessities intervened and lost track of coming back until now.  have you seen any of these Twilight & etc films or read the books?  any views you'd care to share?

          •  I frankly couldn't get past the 'sparkle' (2+ / 0-)
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            RiveroftheWest, mettle fatigue

            Meyers has admitted she knew nothing about vampires before starting what became Twilight...and that's fine but then don't call your creations vampires. Call 'em 'Eternas' or 'Pukkas' or whatever. Or, here's a thought, learn something?

            Oh, well, she's making money hand over fist and I'm not so that maybe shows what I know.

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            by wonderful world on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 06:22:21 PM PDT

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            •  hl mencken or ? said no 1 ever went broke underest (2+ / 0-)
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              RiveroftheWest, wonderful world

              imating the taste of the american public.  

              to be fair, 'tho, years ago i knew a seriously brilliant woman with a seriously serious job who read harlequins every lunch hour.  she said she could finish one in a single lunch hour by reading fast, and reading fast helped her overlook the schlock and enjoy the trip elsewhen otherwhere so she got a subjectively longer break from the job and could get back to work feeling more kinda refreshed and ready to dive in again.

              of course she was reading them in her 30s, not an unformed mind/character/personality.  and i don't think there was anything magical or supernatural in them.  which may make a difference.

              •  Many bright and accomplished people read (2+ / 0-)
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                mettle fatigue, wonderful world

                fiction of questionable merit as a break from high-stress jobs... or play video games for the same reason. Hard-working brains just need a break sometimes.

              •  I've written a few romances with paranormal (2+ / 0-)
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                RiveroftheWest, mettle fatigue

                elements.

                Magic elements in a book is a matter of personal taste. If it is done well (as mine were of course!), it can enhance the 'escape'. Taking your mind on a mini-vacation is just what those high-stress folks need. A book that makes few demands on the reader can really refresh you. I've been known to escape into the books I read as a child when life gets too heavy.

                And I've known plenty of people in their 30's with unformed minds!

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                by wonderful world on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:32:41 AM PDT

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                •  BarbaraMichaels is the only author of romance+para (2+ / 0-)
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                  normal i've read, but i've read all of those, which all have considerable mystery elements, most i think with a murder somewhere along the way.   have read all her other books under her other names except i think 2 of the nonfiction egypt books under her real name, Barbara Mertz.    even from her earliest, her protagonists were strong smart women or became strong&smart during the story, and she had considerable peer recognition within her field even before, i think, she got her Amelia Peabody archaeologist character series well under way, under penname Elizabeth Peters.  i stumbled into a thread about those a week or 2 ago, so i posted about her other names & gave her website url.  shockingly, mertz/peters/michaels passed away just a couple days later.  i posted again then.  she was a very private person except for her writing & travels in egypt & other public activities - i really hope she left her kids permission for a biography because there are elements in her writing that sound like her life was very tough early on, in particular ways that i think would make a biography very encouraging & valuable.

                  have read everything of georgette heyer which i believe more or less created the 'regency romance' subgenre but those were straightforward historicals, no supernatural.  taught me to understand the language of austen, thackery, dickens, which i deeply hated in highschool because, as it turned out, i had no clue what the heck they were saying.  i can still read longform fiction if with some sidetracking of attention if ideas send me off on a tangent.  haven't been able to read serious fiction or llongform nonfic at all, because of that sidetracking, so i'm obviously one of the stressed people for whom light fiction is necessary.  i seem to be mostly reading barbara hambly & her pen name Hamiliton right now, and rereading kate wilhelm...

                  is CB Pratt your pen name?  i haven't gone to kos katalogue for fear of what irresistibles i might find there....

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