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  •  Dude, you could at least have gone with a parallel (7+ / 0-)

    that involved being human: "Someone born and raised in France who thinks they are Chinese" or something like that.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 01:36:00 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, a bad analogy (2+ / 0-)
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      I've been a fan of Robyn's writing since she arrived here at DKos - there are few people here who post with more truth and honesty. That being said, I understand at least a portion of pravin's viewpoint. Because Chelsea Manning defines herself as  a woman and identifies as a woman, doesn't mean she is a woman (and that opens us to a debates about what "is" is). It also doesn't mean Chelsea isn't a woman.  It's a complicated issue and one that divides reasonable people.  A difference of opinion surely doesn't make pravin a bigot.

      An analogy that comes to mind for me (and a better analogy  than the stupefyingly clumsy and insulting dog comparison) is a young woman I saw in a documentary about high school kids performing in a poetry slam. One girl (who, if memory serves, was biracial), by most standards, looked white yet identified herself as black.  In the classroom discussions, she met with resistance from both her black classmates and her white classmates. How could she be black but appear white - it divided her well-meaning and thoughtful classmates. I'll admit it's not an exact analogy, but it's better than comparing Chelsea Manning to a dog.

      THanks again, Robyn, for a great diary.

      "He's the President of the United States. He is not the Asshole Whisperer." - MinistryOfTruth

      by dannyinla on Thu Aug 22, 2013 at 04:19:53 PM PDT

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      •  It doesn't make him a bigot, (3+ / 0-)
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        but it's problematic. As I already stated, the problem is that his argument is basically that as far as he's concerned, Manning can identify as a woman all she wants, but she's really a man.  This takes away from Manning the power of gender identity, and essentially makes this decision for her.

        It's actually a contradiction to his pravin's statement that Manning has the right to define herself however she wants.  Because what he's saying is that she has the right to do so, but it doesn't make it so, which takes away her freedom to make such a choice.

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