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  •  Lying with statistics (6+ / 0-)

    I know math is hard, and making a reasonable honest graphic is even harder, but liberals are not going to win the argument by being as sleazy and lazy as the average conservative.

    When comparing groups with widely varying population, one has to use percentages, not just counts.  Using counts, particularly counts out of context, is how conservative trick the population into believing certain things are more scary or less fair.

    Properly computed percentages in context are simply more honest.  For instance in the first graph it percentage population is used, it is clear that, for instance, Ohio and Wisconsin have comparable rates without health insurance and Texas has about double the rate of uninsured.  

    Look at it this way.  If we simply say that in 2012 one town had 30 murders, while another has 300, one might be worried.  But if we put in other terms, and say the well known small town with 30 murders had a rate of 15 per 100,000, while the urban area has a murder rate of 10 murders per 100,000, it makes it clear which may be a safer place to live.  Of course context has to be given, but at least there is a much less obvious premeditation to be dishonest.

    •  Lying is pretty severe indictment, no? (4+ / 0-)

      Although I rec'd your comment because I agree there are flaws with that opening graph, I did it because I think we have a duty at DKos to point out when an argument is faulty or contains errors.  

      However, I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Perr's take on the state of ACA and medicaid expansion and commend him on an excellently researched and well thought out diary.  This one graph does not amount to high crimes and misdemeanors and should not be used impeach the diarist.  

      Thanks Mr. Perr, for all the work you do to keep us informed.  We will try hard to correct yor miniscule graph errors and typos while you do the hard work of encapsulating truth, facts, and intricate detail into diaries we can digest and understand.  Bravo! but please fix the graph.

      We are all in this together.

      by htowngenie on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 08:47:46 AM PDT

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      •  Just to Be Clear... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...the first chart was used only to show raw body counts.  This was done intentionally to show how many people are impacted across many (though not all) states currently governed by the GOP.

        The second chart gets to what lowt above is looking for.  It shows the percentage of currently uninsured for the top 10 and bottom 10 ranked state health systems, and then shows how many people would be covered if Medicaid expansion is accepted.

        For considerations of space, not all 50 states were shown.  The data is available at Health Affairs.

        •  Understood, but if readers dismiss (1+ / 0-)
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          Jon Perr

          your further comments and work (i.e., stop reading) what point does it serve to open with it?

          We are all in this together.

          by htowngenie on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 10:28:41 AM PDT

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          •  Agree That There's Always That Risk... (3+ / 0-)
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            ...but figured it was more impactful to show a graphic that made a stark point about "freedom." That is, millions of people in red states will needlessly be denied health insurance in 2014, while their blue state cousins gain the coverage they lack.

            My thought process: the second chart/table was just too complicated to lead with.

            I hear what you and lowt are saying and will keep in mind for future posts.  The feedback is helpful (though I could do without the part about being called a "liar").

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