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  •  i'm not condoning anything... (7+ / 0-)

    but it's important to note that the c of c is not a denomination in the traditional sense. every single congregation operates autonomously from every other congregation.

    full disclosure: i spent the first 40+ years of my life in the c of c before moving to the liberal mainline protestant UCC.

    •  While that is true, the majority of them have an (13+ / 0-)

      amazing ability to channel each other.

      When I was about 12 years old, my parents divorced.  Prior to the divorce a contingent of C of C "elders" descended upon my mom's house (as far as I know they never spoke to my Dad), and told her that if she and my Dad divorced, my brother and I would grow up to be criminals, and she would rue the day when she condemned us to a life of crime.  I know this is what they said, because I was in the next room, listening through the door.

      They might be surprised to learn that my brother and I both spent entire careers in different areas of law enforcement.  Neither of us has ever spent a day in jail.  We probably have those bastards to thank for it.

      Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity -- George Carlin

      by ZedMont on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 01:10:32 PM PDT

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      •  YMMV (2+ / 0-)
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        i definitely appreciate your perspective. just as you had a bad experience, i had nothing but positive experiences in the 2 congregations i spent my first 20+ years in.

        i have a problem with stereotyping and religion is one area where it runs rampant. (and before it's pointed out to me, i already know that it is a largely earned point of view).

        •  I'm glad you had a good experience. My overall (5+ / 0-)

          opinion of the C of C does not mean that I didn't make some good friends and that there weren't people that I admired.

          The truth is, I don't hold much against these folks personally, because I know for a fact they were lied to.  Their only fault was believing a lie, a mistake anyone can make.

          I'm not just your garden variety C of C refugee.  My alma mater was Abilene Christian College (now ACU), where I was required to take at least 15 hours of bible classes.  It was decades before I realized my professors had lied through their teeth.  They were biblical scholars, which means they knew the actual history of the bible, but instead they taught the myth.

          I have to give ACU credit where credit is due, though.  A couple of years ago they apologized for their brazenly racist admission policies of the past.

          Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity -- George Carlin

          by ZedMont on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 01:59:19 PM PDT

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        •  largely earned................ (0+ / 0-)
      •  Have family members in the CoCs... (4+ / 0-)
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        laurnj, Cassandra Waites, Womantrust, Smoh

        The denomination made the same mistake that Southern Baptists did: conflated their political and social values for moral values, especially beginning in the mid 60s. Substantial social divide between white and black congregations. U.S. membership something over 1 million and falling. Widening concern in the ranks over demographic oblivion. Most leadership utterly oblivious as the the reasons why. Congregational leadership self-nominate/appoint: tend to trend further and further right.

        Congregations have been losing members for years: one, by older members dying off and, two, by their children dropping out either of the denomination or of religion altogether. A phenomenon not confined to just these churches: most American denominations are in decline. The American brand of Christianity just doesn't have the draw anymore.

        Full disclosure: born and reared CoC, including high school and college education, still attend a local congregation. Why not switch? One, my dad (87) is still living and would be badly hurt; two, don't want to spend the rest of my life learning a whole new set of secret handshakes and code words in another denomination. I (and many where I attend) can - and do - work with anyone of good liberal goodwill regardless of church affiliation. Younger members are less invested in brand name; not surprisingly, since the brand is dying. Surprisingly enough, both me and spouse are long term Democrats (my mom, r.i.p., was yellow-dog Democrat; both spouse's parents are Democrats): very few like us there.

        Just my $0.25 worth.

        "A popular government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy, or perhaps both." - James Madison, 1822

        by Superskepticalman on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 04:17:01 PM PDT

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