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  •  I agree that mainstream media (3+ / 0-)
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    Don midwest, OLinda, DSPS owl

    does add credibility and makes it harder to shoot the messenger. On the other hand, you've seen stories like these, reported by Very Serious People, that appear in papers like the NYT and then are more or less forgotten a week or so later.

    Whereas Greenwald has really brought a lot of energy to the story with his "one guy standing up against the establishment" storyline. It's not entirely untrue either - no one forced David Gregory to ask if he should be arrested, or for the authorities to detain his partner. So obviously some people don't like Greenwald but I think his outsider approach and willingness to engage personally has brought a lot more attention to the story than it would have received otherwise.

    •  The mainstream media also has some (2+ / 0-)
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      Creosote, kurt

      decent checks and balances in place that support their credibility - certainly not all of them as we know from experiences with people like that idiot Judith Miller and her coverage of Iraq - but the "system" that is used generally does work pretty well - it is a system that is a far cry better than a wikileaks data dump - not necessarily because what wikileaks puts out there is "untrue", but because if some story or piece of information is tested against other stories and sources and then is found to be strong enough to be published, that does lend important credibility and life to a story.

      And FWIW, it is imperative that you read every journalist reporting on government whether or not secrets are involved with a critical eye, including someone like Greenwald.  No reporter is smart enough not to be duped at some point in their career.  The test of a good one is whether or not they admit that they were hosed.  Judith Miller was a bad one, imo, primarily because she never admitted that she had been a part of the manipulation machine.

      Anyway, I don't require that the Post, Times or whatever traditional media outlet endorse a story to think it might be true, but I do watch to see if the reporters are following journalistic standards when they report things that are difficult to "prove" beyond their story.  Also, if you are smar, you will always watch what the response to any given story is.  To me, the government's panic over Snowden suggests that his stories are verifiably true at some level.  They really should be smarter about that, imo - lol.

      Haven't they ever read "Hitchhiker's Guide"?  "Don't Panic."

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