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  •  It Is my Understanding ... (4+ / 0-)
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    the Egyptian Army controls vast parts of the economy, independent of its purposes as a national military organization. This gives them more real power than any of the political parties. They are willing to go along with any President that will preserve that part of the status quo.

    "A famous person once said, 'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' But as I once said, "If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like." – Max Headroom

    by midnight lurker on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 07:52:06 AM PDT

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    •  The military in general, yes, but one of the first (2+ / 0-)
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      things Morsi did was remove all the old miitary leaders from Mubarak days and replace them with what he thought were sympathetic 'Islamist' generals.  But since the military is secular by definition, even the most sympathetic weren't sympathetic enough to keep him in power.

      They that have power to hurt, and will do none

      by richardvjohnson on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 09:24:10 AM PDT

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    •  The military had it in for Morsi (0+ / 0-)

      from the beginning. They  wanted him out, and they saw to it that it happened.

      http://theweek.com/...

      •  How would feel if you weren't allowed to vote and (0+ / 0-)

        someone completely threatening to your country became President because of that?  The military had nothing to do with the country-wide civilian protests against the Morsi government.  He did everything he promised not to do, and mismanaged the economy dreadfully.  And he never would have been elected if the military and police could vote.

        They that have power to hurt, and will do none

        by richardvjohnson on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 06:12:27 AM PDT

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        •  The military are voting, all right (0+ / 0-)

          They're voting with their weapons, in effect.

          Egyptians went to the polls and voted for Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in control of parliament. The Mubarak appointed Supreme Court threw out the parliamentary elections. Before Morsi took office, the military provisional government neutered most of the powers of the presidency.

          That "mismanagement of the economy" was something created by the military. Did you read the link? Doesn't seem like it.

          •  Morsi won by less than the disallowed potential (0+ / 0-)

            votes of the military/police.  I'm not justifying the 'coup' or even really against Islamism unless it leads to tyranny (it hasn't in Turkey, pretty much).  And Morsi took back any lost powers and ruled by decree.  There are no good guys or bad guys here, just various forms of being misled.  But imagine the US taken over by our equivalent of the Brotherhood...ever read 'The Handmaid's Tale'?  

            They that have power to hurt, and will do none

            by richardvjohnson on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 02:38:13 PM PDT

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    •  Right, and since they don't (1+ / 0-)
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      have to actually purchase jets, tanks, guns, etc., using their own money-- given Congress is subsidizing all of that with the $1.3 Billion in "aid" we give them every year-- this frees up a lot of money for the Egyptian military/cronies to run their own fiefdom.

      "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

      by Superpole on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 09:40:19 AM PDT

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      •  Surprisingly we're not the biggest source of aid (0+ / 0-)

        for Egypt.  Qatar was giving lots to the Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia is giving lots to the military...dwarfs our contribution which I hope will stop, and removes any leverage it ever gave us (it was bribery to get them to make peace with Israel anyway).

        They that have power to hurt, and will do none

        by richardvjohnson on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 08:43:14 PM PDT

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