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  •  Kim Dotcom is just a thief. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's not right to use the NSA against common thieves, but let's not imagine that Mr. D. is somehow innocent.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 03:35:18 PM PDT

    •  When the full weight of Five Eyes can't find (2+ / 0-)
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      enough evidence to gain a conviction, don't you have any reason the doubt that statement?

      Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

      by Just Bob on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 04:08:21 PM PDT

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    •  Not that simple - here's what really happened: (8+ / 0-)

      As I pointed out above, there's no real difference between Megaupload and the hundreds of other file sharing services out there. These sites are considered legal as long as they comply with takedown requests under the DMCA. Think about Dropbox, Mediafire, even YouTube is filled with millions of copyrighted songs and video clips.

      So why launch a raid on Dotcom's house in such dramatic fashion and leave the other companies in business?

      The government's case centered around the idea that Megaupload was somehow uniquely bad and that Dotcom was operating a "conspiracy" to encourage people to upload illegal content. That case has since fallen apart in many ways, and its not even clear if Dotcom will be extradited to the U.S. at all. But the practical effect was to completely shut down his business. The U.S. seized Megaupload's servers and erased all the content.

      The larger context in which this happened was even sketchier. Dotcom was apparently preparing to transition away from traditional file sharing and to a new model for the music industry. This would involve artists posting files on a Megaupload style site themselves, and they would receive a small payment for every download (to be funded by ads). This, in other words, would have cut out the record labels completely.

      Right before the raid happened, Dotcom released a video on YouTube previewing this new venture. It included a number of major label pop stars -  Kanye West, Alicia Keys, Chris Brown,, Snoop Dogg - all praising Megaupload.

      This apparently was the last straw for the music and entertainment industry. A month later, they launched the raid on Dotcom's house and shut down his business.

      •  Interesting info at wikipedia (5+ / 0-)
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        On 24 September 2012 Prime Minister John Key revealed that, at the request of the police, the New Zealand Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB) had spied on Dotcom, illegally helping police to locate him and monitor his communications in the weeks prior to the raid on his house.[62] The GCSB is not allowed to spy on New Zealand citizens and Dotcom had been granted permanent residency. Three days later, the Prime Minister John Key apologized for the illegal spying. "I apologize to Mr Dotcom. I apologize to New Zealanders because every New Zealander…is entitled to be protected from the law when it comes to the GCSB Government Communications Security Bureau, and we failed to provide that appropriate protection for him."[63] In December 2012, Chief High Court judge Helen Winkelman ordered the GCSB to "confirm all entities" to which it gave information sourced through its illegal spying. This opened the door for Dotcom to sue for damages – against the spy agency and the police.[64] The Crown appealed but in March 2013, the Court of Appeal upheld the High Court's decision.[65][66]
        I'd really like to see him sue NSA to discover the political and commercial entities behind the US case.


        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 05:02:26 PM PDT

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    •  "There you go again," Rich. The diarist didn't (5+ / 0-)

      discuss the man's guilt or innocence, and if you're smart you won't either, prior to his actual conviction on such a charge. You could be (successfully) sued for libel. Kim DotCom wouldn't have to depend on our dubious justice system either; he could sue you in New Zealand, win a judgment, and have US courts and police enforce it on you.

      The subjects of the diary, which your comment does not address, are (1) NZ's use of NSA info to pursue criminal charges against this man, (2) that such usage was illegal at the time, and (3) that the current government of NZ has since removed that stain of 'illegality' from future actions along the same lines.

      Enough fossil fuel remains on Earth to warm it 6 degrees C by 2100 AD if it is all used. A +6 C planet will only sustain half a billion humans. Human population will rise to 9 billion by 2050. Any questions?

      by davidincleveland on Fri Aug 23, 2013 at 04:35:52 PM PDT

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    •  He's not even a thief. (1+ / 0-)
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      At worst, he's a sort of fence.  But it's rather hard to make that argument either.  

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