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  •  The NSA is not part of the military it's a (0+ / 0-)

    separate agency under the jurisdiction of the DoD.  This is according to how the Dod defines the military.  You may want to read the Dod website and see the command structure.  Even in the history of the NSA in the WIKI link you provided, it's predecessor the AFSA was different to MILITARY INTELLIGENCE.

    This organization was originally established within the U.S. Department of Defense under the command of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.[15] The AFSA was to direct Department of Defense communications and electronic intelligence activities, except those of U.S. military intelligence units
    I believe it's you that have misconceptions.

    Right man, right job and right time

    by Ianb007 on Sat Aug 24, 2013 at 01:42:48 PM PDT

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    •  You keep arguing that (1+ / 0-)
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      But you are not convincing anyone because your basic reasoning is faulty.

      Let's take this step by step:

      In the USA, all military functions are under the DoD and therefore all Departments and Agencies under the DoD are military agencies with military budgets and under military command.

      The NSA (responsible for signals intelligence) and it's sister organization the DIA (responsible for foreign military intelligence) are military organizations with military missions and required to be commanded by active military officers of minimum specified rank.

      Furthermore, the NSA director is also heads the Cyber Command with direct command authority across several functional branches of the Army, Navy and Air Forces including not just signals intelligence but also command authority of conventional forces.

      Likewise, the commander of the DIA also chairs the Military Intelligence Board, which coordinates over ally military intelligence operations across the services, and has it's own  Clandestine Services branch conducting conventional espionage.

      Now let's review:

      - Under the DoD. Check.
      - Under military command. Check.
      - Under military budget. Check.
      - Commanding military personnel and activities. Check.
      - Conducting military intelligence operations. Check.

      Conclusion: Part of the military, by any definition.

      Now we are making process.

      Perhaps it is helpful to contrast other non-military organizations to these military organizations to understand the difference better.

      The CIA has executive branch departmental status equivelent to the DoD, DoT, DoJ etc. It is a non-military intelligence organization under a Secretary that is not required to be a military commander because it is not a military organization, and to serve, a military person would have to retire their military command to do so such as Petraeus.

      The FBI is a branch of the Justice Department and tasked with investigating domestic criminal activity in violation of federal law. Likewise it is headed by civilians and has no military functions or authority.

      The above two are examples of non-military organizations.

      The NSA is a military organization. The Director of the NSA is a military commander with authority over military activities and military assets to fulfill a military mission.

      It's not that complicated.

      •  There are many errors in your logic and post. (0+ / 0-)

        Just see http://www.dailykos.com/...

        All dept under the DoD are not military

        In the USA, all military functions are under the DoD and therefore all Departments and Agencies under the DoD are military agencies with military budgets and under military command.
        That is your first erroneous assumption.  Just because all military depts are under the DoD does not mean all Depts in the DoD are military. There are many agencies under that DoD that do not have military personnel as the head of the agency.

        For example

        The NGA

        Or the other numerous agencies and depts under the DoD

        http://www.defense.gov/...

         The DoD website has it's organization tree and description for all to see.  It lists the NSA as a defense agency not a military agency. As a matter of fact the term military agency is not even used.  It lists the 3 Military Depts as The Army The Navy and the Air Force.

        http://odam.defense.gov/...

        For the love of God read the DoD website don't take my word for it.

        The NSA is a military organization. The Director of the NSA is a military commander with authority over military activities and military assets to fulfill a military mission.
        Yes the Director of the NSA is always a military officer but that is because he is also wearing two other hats. The Central security device being the main other one. The dead give away to the error of your logic should be the fact the the NSA second in command is a civilian  The military does not have civilians in their command structure.

         The CSS is the Liaison between the military and the NSA
        From the NSA website.

        The Central Security Service (CSS) provides timely and accurate cryptologic support, knowledge, and assistance to the military cryptologic community.
        Meaning the Military cryptologic community is separate and different to the NSA.

        From the NSA/CSS brochure

        http://www.nsa.gov/...

        The mission of the National Security Agency (NSA) and its military component, the Central Security Service (CSS), is focused on saving lives, defending vital networks, and exploiting the foreign communications of adversaries. On behalf of the dedicated employees of America’s cryptologic organization, I appreciate your taking the time to learn about this unique national asset.
        Every day, we provide valuable intelligence on issues of concern to all Americans—such as international terrorism, cyber crime, narcotics trafficking, and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Our customers range from U.S. decisionmakers to service personnel who are in harm’s way.
        So you are again wrong.  The NSA does not have a military mission  It's an intelligence gathering agency which back to my original point was within it's right to track Mr. DOTCOM because he was engaged in Cybercrime.  Hence the silliness of this diary.

        If the info from the DoD and NSA website can't convince you and the others of your erroneous assumptions then I can't really help you.  I have taken my time to link and quote information right from the official websites.  You and others cannot do the same because no where on their Website does it say:

        The NSA is a military organization. The Director of the NSA is a military commander with authority over military activities and military assets to fulfill a military mission.
        I challenge you to find on either the NSA or the DoD such a claim that you made that I quoted above.

        Right man, right job and right time

        by Ianb007 on Sun Aug 25, 2013 at 03:00:09 PM PDT

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